PewPew vs AMA

[Shai]

Since the AMA propaganda machine is at work lets clear some things out:

PewPew asked Jerks to let them know when they got out of, or ended their hostile with AMA. Notice counts from the tick Jerks stopped hits on AMA, got into another war and send a ingame CF. That was when notice was to be given, when Jerks stopped fighting AMA and it became a one sided hostile. That is a valid notice. Not a dealbreak.

AMA can go on all along about how Elit, who doesnt lead this age according to himself (taking time off), made a deal with Pet, who quit PewPew, that noone else have knowledge of.

Pet put 48h notice with AMA into the topic of PewPew leadership channel with the rest of PewPews CFs this age. Cello, who lead AMA this age and did their official dealings with Binar came THREE times to Binar and confirmed the 48h notice deal and tried to re-negotiate it. When we didnt want to remove the 85% land range deal (AMA wanted it removed so they had the chance to bully themselves and EoA war vs a smaller PewPew if standings would be such close to EoA) Cello ended the LAST cf talks with "Fair enough, guess we'll see you guys again after our war with Jerks then". Thats an actual quote.

How a deal allegedly made between two players who doesnt lead anymore can exceed a deal confirmed three times between the actuall leaders is beyond me. If both kd leaders was sure this was the deal, then IT IS THE DEAL.

Their war ended somewhere in year 5. But instead of prepping for PewPew (which they had ample time for) they decided to try and force another hostile on Jerks? Why? They had confirmed the 48h notice three times and Cello had told us we will see them in Year 6? This didnt leave PewPew much choice but to train up to 65% draft and get ready to be noticed at start of Year 6. We were 100% sure the talks about going after Jerks a second time was just a smokescreen with the hope to catch us on low draft sci pumping and then notice us and catching us pants down. Also cause it made 0 sense with our cf deal coming to an end.

Why AMA would start and try to force a war from a kd who clearly stated they wont war them right at the start of Year 6 when notice could be given is beyond me. Only reason I can think of is to try and dodge a year 6 war with PewPew. Or try to ruin any chances for PewPew to scipump, since PewPew had to be ready for a notice with short preperations. This they managed fine with since PewPew had to sit drafted to 65% and just wait for AMA to end their hostilities with Jerks.

Seing how PewPew got a week of scipumping ruined by sitting ready for AMA I dont get why AMA is supriced they got noticed when their fight ended? Why would PewPew sit there losing time watching AMA bully another kd into the ground just to dodge the fight? AMA should have know this would happen. They made their bed and now they dont like it, simple as that.

[RawStuff]

so they should ahve send notice 2 hours later i guess for you to stop whining about it? man what a bad move from pew2 for all this crying !

And thks for the explanations Shai. kool for us down there to udnerstand the cfs time and strategy around

[Chrystal Palace]

Pew isn't crying. We planning pre war gala. I shall be princess of the ball and Elit shall be prince

[RawStuff]

Pew isn't crying. We planning pre war gala. I shall be princess of the ball and Elit shall be prince

nah pew isnt. saying elit is. prince shouldnt cry you know. were you imposed this prince?

[Shai]

so they should ahve send notice 2 hours later i guess for you to stop whining about it? man what a bad move from pew2 for all this crying !

And thks for the explanations Shai. kool for us down there to udnerstand the cfs time and strategy around

Yes there was an communication error where PewPew though fighting had ended on July 7th, the notice should had been given on July 9th and PewPew have acknowledge that and are counting the notice from July 9th.

[Minty]

Seing how PewPew got a week of scipumping ruined by sitting ready for AMA I dont get why AMA is supriced they got noticed when their fight ended? Why would PewPew sit there losing time watching AMA bully another kd into the ground just to dodge the fight? AMA should have know this would happen. They made their bed and now they dont like it, simple as that.

Princess Elit and the Pea doesn't like the way the bed is made.

[TheOne]

after being forced out of #relaxunderthesun (need to suntan before pyro-bb) and needing to talk to multiple parties + reading logs, +trying to decipher whats right/wrong.. I think both parties are at fault. But before I got into the rationale why I think both parties are at fault..

Palem : there's a big difference with 24hrs additional time (Between 48 and 72 hours). trust me on this. :P
Ecdain : I suggest you shld find a kd and play in the top, or at least play more competitive utopia so you would know how strategic the game can be, and how things revolve around politics. :D

okay..

I think pewpew shldnt have noticed before jerks entered war. it looks terribly bad on paper.
I think cello/elit had big miscommunication about 48hrs or 72hrs notice period. and hence this terrible confusion.

and I guess the main talking point (that AMA brought up) is.. whether jerks and pewpew coordinated this whole stuff. which I honestly don't know, and hopefully don't need to find out! the lesser I know, the better!

#back2relaxunderSun

[tetley]

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 34 (5,021 acres)
-- Traditional march: 28 (4,661 acres)
-- Ambush: 5 (360 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (2.9% failure)
-- Uniques: 20
Total attacks suffered: 45 (6,426 acres)
-- Traditional march: 36 (5,789 acres)
-- Ambush: 8 (637 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (2.2% failure)
-- Uniques: 20
** The kingdom of JERKS **
Total land exchanged: -1,405 (34/45)

Can you tell me what exactly is fake about this war elit? Other than you just don't approve of it

[Anri]

Since the AMA propaganda machine is at work lets clear some things out:

PewPew asked Jerks to let them know when they got out of, or ended their hostile with AMA. Notice counts from the tick Jerks stopped hits on AMA, got into another war and send a ingame CF. That was when notice was to be given, when Jerks stopped fighting AMA and it became a one sided hostile. That is a valid notice. Not a dealbreak.

AMA can go on all along about how Elit, who doesnt lead this age according to himself (taking time off), made a deal with Pet, who quit PewPew, that noone else have knowledge of.

Pet put 48h notice with AMA into the topic of PewPew leadership channel with the rest of PewPews CFs this age. Cello, who lead AMA this age and did their official dealings with Binar came THREE times to Binar and confirmed the 48h notice deal and tried to re-negotiate it. When we didnt want to remove the 85% land range deal (AMA wanted it removed so they had the chance to bully themselves and EoA war vs a smaller PewPew if standings would be such close to EoA) Cello ended the LAST cf talks with "Fair enough, guess we'll see you guys again after our war with Jerks then". Thats an actual quote.

How a deal allegedly made between two players who doesnt lead anymore can exceed a deal confirmed three times between the actuall leaders is beyond me. If both kd leaders was sure this was the deal, then IT IS THE DEAL.

Their war ended somewhere in year 5. But instead of prepping for PewPew (which they had ample time for) they decided to try and force another hostile on Jerks? Why? They had confirmed the 48h notice three times and Cello had told us we will see them in Year 6? This didnt leave PewPew much choice but to train up to 65% draft and get ready to be noticed at start of Year 6. We were 100% sure the talks about going after Jerks a second time was just a smokescreen with the hope to catch us on low draft sci pumping and then notice us and catching us pants down. Also cause it made 0 sense with our cf deal coming to an end.

Why AMA would start and try to force a war from a kd who clearly stated they wont war them right at the start of Year 6 when notice could be given is beyond me. Only reason I can think of is to try and dodge a year 6 war with PewPew. Or try to ruin any chances for PewPew to scipump, since PewPew had to be ready for a notice with short preperations. This they managed fine with since PewPew had to sit drafted to 65% and just wait for AMA to end their hostilities with Jerks.

Seing how PewPew got a week of scipumping ruined by sitting ready for AMA I dont get why AMA is supriced they got noticed when their fight ended? Why would PewPew sit there losing time watching AMA bully another kd into the ground just to dodge the fight? AMA should have know this would happen. They made their bed and now they dont like it, simple as that.

Thanks for telling it how it is

[Anri]

and I guess the main talking point (that AMA brought up) is.. whether jerks and pewpew coordinated this whole stuff. which I honestly don't know, and hopefully don't need to find out! the lesser I know, the better!

#back2relaxunderSun

Silly to bring that up knowing pewpew prepared and watched AMA fight jerks all that time and just longed and waited to notice them.

[Palem]

Palem : there's a big difference with 24hrs additional time (Between 48 and 72 hours). trust me on this. :P

If you're trying, yes I completely agree. But AMA is on record as not caring if they win, so I'm confused why they're so mad.

[TommyB]

Since the AMA propaganda machine is at work lets clear some things out:

I pretty much understand how and why people don't like AMA but calling Elit alone arguing against what seems pretty much like a plethora of haters the "AMA propaganda machine" seems pretty far fetched.

Some alternative thoughts:
- Why is it considered 2v1? Well let's start at the beginning when Jerks FB AMA cow before their first conflict with Pew. Is it against the rules? No. Is it one kingdom spending their resources to help another kingdom in their upcoming conflict? Sure.

Then Jerks engage them in war and instead of doing what is best for their kingdom, they make strategic move to weaken them for upcoming conflict again by doing max gain on their big provs instead of working out a CF agreement and prefer to engage in round 2, throwing their own kingdom under the bus, coincidentally making sure AMA grows big in acres while eating ops.

Finally the timing of Jerks' war and giving notice makes it pretty obvious the whole thing is orchestrated from both kingdoms (Jerks and Pew). So how can anyone really argue that it isn't two kingdoms coordinating their actions to hurt a third, cordially known as 2v1?

I don't even care much about the fact, I simply get riled up when people make up stupid stories to deny the obvious. Call it a brilliant strategy instead. Also consider throwing all that talk about "honorable play in top" out of the window. Oh wait.. wasn't that what Pew was all about couple of ages ago in the first place?

Well played.

[Bukharistan]

This isn't about bullying though but about deal-breaking. If you don't see the difference that's pretty sad.

It's the same for me. The only difference for you guys is that this directly hurts you, and not some unknown noob you couldn't give a **** about. All I have to say is that if Jerks get bullied they should just grow and raze em into their next war. And if Ama gets bullied by PewPew they should just raze their banks and ruin their age aswell (that's what you guys always suggest right, fighting back?). That will teach em to stay away next age!

[TommyB]

It's the same for me. The only difference for you guys is that this directly hurts you, and not some unknown noob you couldn't give a **** about.

I'm not one of "them guys", I'm one of "you guys", just without the inferiority complex and not so full of hate.

[tetley]

TommyB, bro, what the **** are you talking about?

Regarding the max gain wave at the end of the war.... have you not seen every other leader in the game on these forums agreeing that max gain wave before WD is standard practice? I don't know AMA's CF agreements, my decision to do a max gain wave had literally nothing to do with "weakening them for upcoming conflict."

Also: why do people keep going back to this suggestion - that I alone made a choice for my kingdom that was the "worse" choice by fighting back? Are you so blind that you can't see elit and cello ALSO made the worse decision for their kingdom by forcing a second conflict?

The truth of it was that fighting was worse for both of us - but bending over and giving acres was bad for us and excellent for them. Yet THEY CHOSE JUST LIKE I DID. They could have given me a 2 week free CF and they opted not to. So they hurt themselves too; for pride, #forfun, for raw acres, for whatever reason. It's not like they were forced to come b2b. That was a decision THEY MADE, not me.

Regarding the fireball early age - I don't even think we knew it was AMA when we started fireballing. And regardless, why does the blame fall to a smaller kingdom for fireballing, and not on AMA leaders who decided to retal SEVEN TIMES for one hit after you just explored a cow and his WPA was trash and you had a conflict coming up?

Figure out what's going on before you post here again.