They are from the same origin, that was my point; and for that reason, it is a proof against Islam, according to written tradition -- Islam's understanding of the word, is not in agreement, with the historical records.Originally Posted by TommyB
They are from the same origin, that was my point; and for that reason, it is a proof against Islam, according to written tradition -- Islam's understanding of the word, is not in agreement, with the historical records.
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You can, if you are of strong enough will power, refuse to accept or not accept anything. I allow facts to move me, but some do not. The power of what you will is always present, even if you do not consciously accept that.
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Whatever you are trying to proof, I don't get it. But I am not competent to further discuss the topic either so let's just leave it here. If I had to discuss it I would probably not wonder if one interpretation or the other is correct but rather why someone would want to disproof an entire religion based on their usage of the name of god. It would appear that there are much stronger arguments to make against any known religion if one was of a mind to do so.
True.
Accuses people of being ignorant, cites wikipedia. Lol.
I was just like you. My parents died. I have to be strong for Serah, so I thought I needed to forget my past. And I became Lightning. I thought by changing my name, I could change who I was. I was just a kid. Lightning. It flashes bright, then fades away. It can't protect. It only destroys.
I call it as I see it. Do you have anything to contribute?
Only, I looked for where it uses the word "ignorant" and found non were you linked.
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Just want to add: in this singular instance I do not mind "political correctness" as people who know 100% that god exists or does not exist are much more likely to go to war and kill each other about it than those who admit to themselves that they do not know.
I already gave my contribution. Internet arguments over religion are among the most futile of exercises. It's just everyone calling everyone else wrong and citing non-empirical sources as "evidence".
I was just like you. My parents died. I have to be strong for Serah, so I thought I needed to forget my past. And I became Lightning. I thought by changing my name, I could change who I was. I was just a kid. Lightning. It flashes bright, then fades away. It can't protect. It only destroys.
I think one can contribute more then that, but I wont fault you if you decided to think otherwise.
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Add these seven parts up and you have the opinion of one person. There is an argument in philosophy of cause and effect that supports ID. It's called the First Cause Argument:
- Every effect has a cause
- This chain cannot go on infinitely, so there must have been a First Cause, or an Unmoved Mover, or Unmade Maker.
- This First Cause is itself uncaused, and set everything into motion
And before you say Big Bang, it was caused, so it cannot be the First Cause. Some light empirical reading on the subject...
http://tinyurl.com/opqj4r9
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I was just like you. My parents died. I have to be strong for Serah, so I thought I needed to forget my past. And I became Lightning. I thought by changing my name, I could change who I was. I was just a kid. Lightning. It flashes bright, then fades away. It can't protect. It only destroys.
What's wrong with wikipedia? It's just as reliable as Encyclopaedia Britannica. Is that not a reliable source of information?
For the sake of Encyclopaedia Britannica, I do hope you are wrong, because, I know Wikipedia is very flawed, often times.
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Apples and oranges. When I was in high school, I would use the library computers to edit wikipedia articles to say ridiculous things. Today, I'm a professional researcher. I would never accept a piece of academic literature into my research library that cites wikipedia.
Last edited by Zantetsuken; 05-01-2015 at 20:34.
I was just like you. My parents died. I have to be strong for Serah, so I thought I needed to forget my past. And I became Lightning. I thought by changing my name, I could change who I was. I was just a kid. Lightning. It flashes bright, then fades away. It can't protect. It only destroys.
Ahhhhhhh..
Nature did a study. As far as scholarly fields are concerned, Wiki is exactly as accurate as EB. Wiki only starts to take a hit on pages that people would actually get a kick out of making incorrect. Pop culture type of stuff.
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