Q for Emeriti - Is it cool to raze into EoW if you want a CF

[Elit]

come pm me in IRC for my loc. would love for you to fsu me! :D

it would be fun for my kingdom mates, as they are currently very pissed at me for giving 'pyro'/nesta a free eoacf this age despite what happened end of last age where we got waved the last week repeatedly for 'fun'. we could have engaged them this age (in yr1.5) being ~25-30% larger, but I decided to be the bigger man and didnt feel the need to boost any egos.

a few top warring leaders gave me the 'wtf' look when they found out about this.

I think your Kd need to pick other leader and stick to main age goal = pay back for fun.

[Palem]

Palem typically I agree with your approach to this kind of situation but this time I think you are taking the "results-oriented" thinking a bit too far. Sometimes the right decision isn't the one that nets you the most acres.

I agree, but all I'm saying is it sounds like BB got a little too ragey and made poor decisions. I'll take BB's side up until the point where they turn down deals and decided to be angry instead of productive. Turning down offers for free acres and gc doesn't do you any good, especially when compared to the alternatives.

Also, I get that razing into BB's EoWCF isn't great sportsmanship, but Abs kingdoms have been blocking (by pretty ****ty means) for each other since Abs existed. I know it's been gone a while, but this isn't a groundbreaking event.

I think it's a little refreshing to see some actual "alliance" play lol

[Maximo]

If we go back to Leshrak's post we see that Emeriti told Abs Ghetto that they should get a cf with BB after talks happened between ASFKD and BB. He might as well have admitted to sicking the abs dog on them come on guys see through the abs BS.

This. BoH please let FPA know when to train up.

[Band of Horses]

This. BoH please let FPA know when to train up.

I set Elit sitter of the alliance.

[Elit]

I think it's a little refreshing to see some actual "alliance" play lol

Do you say AMA and BB was wrong for never show real "alliance" play like this :P


tbh i think we all should start random emeriti and pretend its just random...

[2Utopian]

stop with the foolish questions elit, you have an alliance to run.

[jdorje]

Didn't you run <5 dspa last age in normal stance while you pumped and baited CP in to gift you a crown? I seem to remember 225k def on 10-12k acres and 35% banks because you had so many peasants you didn't need homes thanks to such low draft.

Thats 20 dpa. (Math.)

You owe BB a farm war this age then.

As long as faegan and divinity give us farmwars too.

We have offerred to CF the x:x kd for a nominal amount of acres and in exchange they stop trying to grow so that they cant raze our bigs again for something like exploring more than we should, but its not yet clear if emeriti is ready to admit they did anything wrong or willing to sacrifice having a big cow to raze or farm out, as you say. I dont think its unreasonable for us to not want this guy around and big anymore. Clearly we can do that ourselves, but were leaving them an olive branch to do the right thing. Since having this ghetto stall us any further i imagine they realize does not make them look too good

Flogger, I'll say it again: we did not ask or encourage them to raze you. We did not sick them on you. We did not do anything wrong. They are not a FSU kingdom out to hurt others, nor to farm out to us. They are simply a ghetto.

Yes it sucks for you and, since they are our friends that screwed you over, we have some responsibility to help set it right. But since they have already offered to set everything right - an offer they made mere hours after the razes, almost as soon as their monarch came online - I don't understand what more you are asking of us. If you'll let us know, we will certainly take your concerns seriously.

[TheOne]

We managed to get CFs with #1, #3 and #4 so far.

actually. my ghetto has a problem getting CFs. can you tell us how you got about doing it.

[Elit]

actually. my ghetto has a problem getting CFs. can you tell us how you got about doing it.

Having connections can help ;)

[protector]

I don't understand what more you are asking of us. If you'll let us know, we will certainly take your concerns seriously.

Admitting that you sent them onto us would be a good start. Do you?

[protector]

Releasing all your troops and emptying pool to pump on 0% draft for 2 days was the smart move for you.

We didn't release "all" our troops, we merely ditched our offspecs. No other troops were released.
It was an OOP war, we had defense ranging from 1200 to 2200 dspecs

Summary from the hostile/war, which shows almost everyone taking 5 or more hits.

** Kingdom news report **
For the time from February 21 of YR0 till May 19 of YR0 - 71 hours
[ http://home-world.org/utopia/formatter/ - Seraphim online formatter ]


** Summary **
Total attacks made: 418 (12,626 acres)
-- Traditional march: 394 (12,045 acres)
-- Ambush: 17 (581 acres)
-- Failed: 7 (1.7% failure)
-- Uniques: 129
Total attacks suffered: 244 (9,523 acres)
-- Traditional march: 225 (9,299 acres)
-- Ambush: 8 (224 acres)
-- Failed: 11 (4.5% failure)
-- Uniques: 120

** The kingdom of ##:## **
Total land exchanged: +3,103 (418/244)
+457 KT Rooooooooooooooolster Flash (19/3)
+452 Touch Me Baby (19/5)
+391 Pikachu (22/3)
+319 WHATS YOUR NAME BOY (17/7)
+296 lucky number 7 (23/7)
+281 Wu Zetian (22/7)
+264 Ted 2 (21/10)
+263 alexanderplatz (20/6)
+263 Yellow Cake (16/10)
+260 OmniKnights (14/4)
+257 SlayerS BoxeR (15/11)
+247 Shrute Farms (18/12)
+246 Sorry is the hardest word (15/3)
+241 Coppelia (18/7)
+94 Dota Rulezzzzzzzz (20/10)
-10 Ted (10/3)
-14 Your anus (8/5)
-44 TOP PROV IS BEST PROV (12/2)
-95 jesuswasbrown (18/18)
-104 The King of Fighters (12/13)
-117 Requiem of Eclipse (16/24)
-123 Pooperscooper scoops the poop (8/5)
-194 Mortal Kombat (20/31)
-224 Sep19Joo (18/20)
-303 Vesania (17/18)


** The kingdom of ##:## **
Total land exchanged: -3,103 (244/418)
+118 Josef Stalin (8/8)
+79 Bruce LEE (4/3)
+41 An unknown province (1/0)
-8 Michael The Pedo (11/11)
-38 jimi hendrix (7/7)
-42 Freddy Mercury (9/12)
-44 leonard nimoy (3/5)
-45 Nucky Thompson (8/11)
-55 Tupac Shakur (9/12)
-58 John Pinette (11/12)
-65 Steve Irwin (10/11)
-69 Bugsy Siegel (10/12)
-95 Ronald Reagan (12/15)
-104 Claire Farron (6/9)
-114 Peter Steele (10/12)
-114 Kurt Cobain (5/7)
-129 Billy Mays here (12/14)
-138 Keith Moon (10/14)
-144 Adolf (13/30)
-157 Luther Allison (16/29)
-265 The Notorious B I G (13/38)
-299 Lolo Ferrari (12/26)
-316 Bob_O_Marley (14/23)
-339 Amy Beerhaus (10/26)
-351 Ave Belushi (10/28)
-352 Robin Williams (10/43)

I'm not sure how we can possibly have a lot more defense all of a sudden 24h after war ended when we've went from 12xxx acres to 22xxx acres. If you wanna justify the actions by claiming our defense was bad, then go ahead and start razing all kingdoms that win an OOP war. But that certainly doesn't benefit you since you'd rather farm them out of war, right? But in this case it was conveniently useful to you to depend your faeries.

We had no crown ambitions and still do not have. We picked cleric to have some fun. After winning that OOP war big, we thought it'd be fun to fight the #1.

Was it a coincidence we got razed? No.
Was it set up and coordinated by you? Yes.

You didn't want to war our human clerics with your dwarf sages, which is why you guys asked for a CF. When it became clear it wouldn't happen, you convinced Bourreau to start razing us into postwar so you wouldn't have to get your own hands dirty.

[jdorje]

Admitting that you sent them onto us would be a good start. Do you?

Obviously not BECAUSE WE DIDN'T.

I'm not sure how we can possibly have a lot more defense all of a sudden 24h after war ended when we've went from 12xxx acres to 22xxx acres. If you wanna justify the actions by claiming our defense was bad, then go ahead and start razing all kingdoms that win an OOP war.

No, I don't want to justify their actions. Why would I want that?

We had no crown ambitions and still do not have. We picked cleric to have some fun. After winning that OOP war big, we thought it'd be fun to fight the #1.

Was it a coincidence we got razed? No.
Was it set up and coordinated by you? Yes.

You didn't want to war our human clerics with your dwarf sages, which is why you guys asked for a CF. When it became clear it wouldn't happen, you convinced Bourreau to start razing us into postwar so you wouldn't have to get your own hands dirty.

Again, no. If that were the case why would Bourreau have almost immediately offered you compensation with the express purpose of letting you prep to fight us? (Edit: I thought he had deleted his province, but apparently intra'd it down some for purposes unknown. He did say he planned to delete though.) Why would they be offering you tons of acres now? Use your head, man.

[Over]

Didn't you run <5 dspa last age in normal stance while you pumped and baited CP in to gift you a crown? I seem to remember 225k def on 10-12k acres and 35% banks because you had so many peasants you didn't need homes thanks to such low draft.

Good point.

It seems they are allowed to but others not.

[protector]

Obviously not BECAUSE WE DIDN'T.

Using capitals doesn't make it less of a lie.
I'll ask you a last time: Did or did you not tell Bourreau that he should be razing us?

Again, no. If that were the case why would Bourreau have almost immediately offered you compensation with the express purpose of letting you prep to fight us? Why would he have later deleted his province in disgust? Why would they be offering you tons of acres now? Use your head, man.

If you did want to war us, why did you ask for a CF? Is it really a coincidence that we're getting raze waved by a kingdom we had no interest in at all AFTER we've received numerous intel attempts from your kingdom and AFTER we declined your CF request?

Fwiw, we've made a solid proposal to Bourreau which isn't "a ton of acres". Not sure what your definition of a "ton" is but less than 10% on top of what we lost certainly doesn't seem like a "ton" of acres.

[tetley]

you have to concede it's a little sketchy/odd that Bourreau would create a fake forum acc