Q for Emeriti - Is it cool to raze into EoW if you want a CF

[TheOne]

Sorry to hijack or derail the thread, or re-liven a dead thread. :(

Would have thought it's kind enough and being nice of me to just turn over a new page in a new age with that KD.

25% Bigger? Lol, afaik, someone please bring back the charts please, we're within 5% of each other when someone tried to broker a deal to try and get a cooldown age between the 2 KDs.
Let's map the sizes here, and if there are any discepancies, blame Munk, because I took the data points off his website.
Said KD: Jun 23 Y1 about 72h into eowcf 20,895 acres, Feb 1 Y2 22,850 acres (OOW), Mar 20, 24,238 acres (OOW and just pooled), May 1 26,322 acres
My KD: Jun 22 Y1, start of eowcf 18,048 acres, Feb 2 Y2 21,243 acres (within hours of striking of deal), Mar 21 21,833 acres (just exited EOWCF), May 2 26,800 acres


In the impending barrage of "Top KD Threads", I can't help but ask myself, Said kd feels it cant beat Sleepy in a 1v1 and bends over and gifts 2.5-3k land to Coss. (tbh I don't care what the actual amount was because it's ultimately coming to me or deleted away.)

"Pyro" hostiles Sleepy 24h after said KD gifted 2.5k acres to them, and by now that KD lost 4 provinces before war even begins, as the other thread points out.

I dont understand why you need to "paranthesis" "Pyro" when you quote Pyro/Nesta. Nesta is Pyro and Pyro is Nesta. That will never change until Nesta quits the game. Yes, please face that, as reluctant as you might be, as long as Pyro is around.

I'll be happy to rescind the CF offer between your KD on your terms, and I'm gifting you with a choice of (A) Yr 4+48. (B) Yr 5+48 or (C) Yr 6+48. Of course, if you have different ideas, you know how to reach me. You're slightly bigger now so you can't complain we sheltered under some age-long CF gifted by you and your kd for half the age and giving you no chance. I'm busy in-game with my fight so I won't be checking back too often. The in-game date is July 24th Y2. You have my whatsapp and my in-game loc, you can let me know if you wish to make ammendments to the CF agreement. Now let's see who gifted who a CF, and let's see what you're made of, tough boy. I recognise you're some try-hard wannabe RL forex/commodities/futures (do I even care?) trader now, so I'll give you 24h to respond (kind of a luxury given BB was given 3 hours to respond to a CF offer before it was considered void and acted upon.)

lol. this is funny. let's make something clear Nesta; you lost your first war vs x:x (started 1.5-2days after oop, and it was 96hrs war?. tactically wd vs a warring tier kd), i won my OOP war (started straight away at OOP. min time war).

We did our CFs (which i'll explain below, but)

At the end of my war, my kingdom was at 18404 acres on April 1st , Yr 0, with a war win bonus of spec credits + science You were at 18048 acres on June 22nd after withdrawing. There is a difference of 71 hours between the dates we ended our war.
You exited war at 21833 acres on Mar 21, Yr 2. Simple math shows that I could have added 12k acres to 18404, minus 1.5k acres and be on 29k acres sitting in fort for 68 hours before you even came out of war. My kingdom could even have easily left war early to stack acres and have more fort time.

21.8*1.25~29.....hrm maybe u were right we weren't that much bigger but had we wanted to it wasnt even going to be close. Imagine, what if i repeated your lame act of waving my kingdom endlessly for 'fun' ( for 1+ week end of last age?). I thought about it and if I had just waved you endlessly for 1-2 weeks at yr 1, it would have definitely broke your kingdom's morale.. Imagine having a war loss, and some other kingdom that you have '****played' and broke their trust decides to take revenge on you and wave you endlessly at the START of the age? what would it feel like?

(PS: For those that dont know. Nesta decides to endlessly wave for 1-2 weeks end of last age, and breaking the trust that both our kingdoms had with each other. We have helped them numerous times during the course of last age, such as helping them fund 1.5 drakes vs Emeriti + letting them steal gc at OOP to build cows/nw drop to declare a war + letting them stray hits once in a while + him asking me to help call people during their war vs emeriti. He did it for 'fun' and felt he had a point to prove)

Consider this, we were sitting on #2 in charts (just a few hundred acres behind Emeriti) at the start of eowcf. At that point in time, i already got a CF with Emeriti, Warseekers. And the only kingdoms that I didnt have CFs who were close in size were sleepy and BB. However as BB was busy exploring in eowcf to prepare for emeriti, it was an easy terms and just general talk.....i was left with only really needing to negotiate with sleepy. I talked to hesus/coss. And I knew that they had leverage in not preventing me from growing. I came to a possible deal where I could pay them ~1.5k acres 2-3days after I exit war, plus ~10% of my acres in yr 3. However, this happened during my talks with flogger (see below) and I decided not to take up this offer.

Anyway, during the whole thing while i was talking to flogger, he suggested to me that I should let bygones be bygones and not have a grudge to mess up with your kingdom goals of whoring. I kinda agreed. We had a kd vote that turned out more people wanting to FSU pyro, but I felt I should be nice and be the bigger man in letting things go. After thinking things through and realizing that I have hurt bystanders players last age (Simians), I decided to not need to prove a point and let your other 24 kingdom mates suffer and waste 13 weeks of their age. I then agreed to give your kingdom an eoacf (which you agreed), and flogger said he will eoacf both of us.

I'm happy that you openly acknolwedge that we have an eoacf, as i was afraid you might dealbreak me later in the age. Anyway, regarding your proposal of changing our cfs, I'll think about it and let you know "soon," i'll take your OFFER to change terms though as a standing offer and give u plenty of notice if my kd wants the change. However, I dont see a reason why I should change it right now. I.e. given that your kingdom has slowly found its' way back to the top because we havent interefered at all. It seems at least reasonable that you may get bigger than us and i don't really feel like dealing with you on a notice deal if that happens.

Note:Why do i Paranthesis 'pyro'? It's because I dont even know who are you guys nowadays with ~12-13 players joining in this age. You're left with what 6-7 players including yourself from the age WE crowned. My kingdom currently has 6 players from the crowning age, and another 5 more from the early buildings blocks of pyro. It is really hard to say if pyromaniacs is pyromaniacs right now.

I dont know why you felt a need to bring 'real life' stuff by talking about my job as a trader, but I'll entertain you. I guess being the son of your dad's business requires you to travel quite often, and perhaps Utopia's cheating system should be improved to prevent you from x-logging to make hits while being on plane flights.

Rumour was that you were ready to ghetto it in the warring tier (because only 12-13 wanted to stay) till the last 1-2 days of the age when you found some kingdom to merge with you (i believe it's ex stoners core. and they were looking for a kd because they were unfortunately deleted at eoa). I believe I joined pyro ages back when the king was 0/3, and left after the kingdom crowned. It still baffles me that you still feel you are the 1 of the best in Utopia after you have lost your past few wars consecutively, while also having poor ethics like **** playing Divinity by hostility them for 3 weeks just because you can, **** play ME end of last age becuase you felt you had something to prove, and finally claiming you have 'disbanded' sleepy now (I saw your text to 1 of my kd mates) (I mean it's like how you claimed to have disbanded divinity too). Like wow, you wrote 'tbh I don't care what the actual amount was because it's ultimately coming to me or deleted away.' Last I know, you were certain that you would be owned before internal problems in Sleepy broke out.

Just because you are going to be top of the charts soon (being big and mighty), doesnt means you can push your weight around.