Proposal to end he Awar

[Chrystal Palace]

Lies I sent you in game message.

[TheOne]

Post from AMP

You are wrong.. Our CF was only agreed on day 2 of my eowcf. It was then where I had to decide what were Sillies plans after eowcf, and how much we needed to draft.
(The leadership of Pandas and me did talk prior to my war with WSK, but nothing was confirmed then)

April 18 of YR4 We have proposed a ceasefire offer to Pandas at WARRRRR (PA:NDA).
April 18 of YR4 Pandas at WARRRRR (PA:NDA) has accepted our ceasefire proposal!

It was mentioned in our CF talks that both of us had no interest in joining the awar, and would be staying out of it.

The rationale that you guys gave to wave X:XX (kingdom taking part in awar on Emeriti's side) 1 day after we CF is just weak imo. You took SN and saw 1 hit by their monarch onto sleepy, while the rest of the kingdom was razing Pyro. I dont see how this indicates that this kingdom isnt part of the awar. You took 7k acres from X:XX for a CF.. And I was like.. ehh.. okay.. if Pandas wanna take these acres to grow and prep for our war. so be it. I wont be doing that. Maybe the cJ of 2+ ages ago would do it. After the CF, your leadership insisted that you guys are neutral and would stay out of the awar.

Fast forward to a few days ago, (when our CF would be less than 1 week from expiry). you guys decided to join/rejoin in the awar. I was like hmmm... After discussion with my kingdom mates, we decided to honour our CF with you guys and believe that Pandas truly felt a convinction to go after emeriti/abs. We were close to just #yolo and wave you all. yeah.

At the end of the day, have fun in your awar :)

And let's leave sillies-panda out of this thread.

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I agree with what Godly has posted in this thread. I dont see the awar coming to a diplomatic end... so yeahh just kill yourselves then.

[DoOrDie]

I agree that the slippery slope argument has teeth to it. BUT - I think if you're going to question the validity of a CF, it seems like a fairly good reason to do so if the CF was acquired virtually as a result of suggesting your allied province raze into that kd's EOWCF. What's the alternative, godly/munk? If you call the BB/Emeriti CF entirely legitimate, then aren't you similarly setting the precedent that people can get legitimate CFs by having friends raze into EOWCFs?

I really don't understand how many time I will have to repeat this: the razes had nothing to do with helping emeriti. I razed because I wanted to secure a CF to protect my #1 province and my kingdom.

Blabl Court blabla Consispiracy

Everytime you talk about this, you're saying the logs prove there was a conspiracy and that a court would agree to that. But you're wrong, because there are other evidences, like all the offers I made to BB that owuld have made BB stronger than before the raze, makes your conspiracy theories laughable and completely stupid.

*blabla CJ is not neutral blabla

If CJ wasn't neutral, this would have been over in less than 96h with both Pyro and BB totally destroyed. You should be thankful that CJ stayed neutral and kissing his ass.

[protector]

You just admitted it here yourself. You say your cf moved into notice. Neither side gave notice. Emeriti gave notice first. After Emeriti gave notice, Bb then *bypassed their notice* to quick dodge farm war them. Your efforts also helped them deal break us. **** play at it's finest.

Lol. I hope this was a bad troll attempt.

Our war agreement was done long before your notice, so, bai! I dont see how "extending yr x + notice" into "we war at yr x" is bypassing a notice. Its a simple extend to give them additional preptime. Your logic is far to seek ;p

[protector]

I can only agree with godly than flogger has set a sad precedent where it's fine to deal break. I've found it sad that flogger and bb have spent their goodwill they collected over the ages on it, but flogger's history with abs and losing to them last age seems to have caused him to act contrary to his reasonable self. Maybe his douchy partner protector convinced him.

It's a sad way to waste an age imo - I'm bored.

Yea its all one big conspiracy orchestrated by me. I've managed to get Emeriti council to have their friends raze BB into war just so I could start this war. Uhu. /sarcasm

[DM_Benjamin]

Sheister, if you and Felonious were Batman and Robin, you would be Robin.

Your inherent ramblings against decent players needs to stop before you embarrass yourself

[Korp]

Sheister, if you and Felonious were Batman and Robin, you would be Robin.

Your inherent ramblings against decent players needs to stop before you embarrass yourself

Actually if you would do something else than lame "defending your mate" it Sheister has very consist and coherents posts.

[Sheister]

Everytime you talk about this, you're saying the logs prove there was a conspiracy and that a court would agree to that. But you're wrong, because there are other evidences, like all the offers I made to BB that owuld have made BB stronger than before the raze, makes your conspiracy theories laughable and completely stupid.

Asserting something is wrong does not make it wrong any more than the assertion that the earth is flat makes it flat. Your argument that you would have made BB stronger has been refuted by flogger elsewhere and I won't rehash it here. That you are unable to understand how that is true further indicates to me that you are mentally incapable of having acted independently in this matter, further deepening my belief in the conspiracy.

If CJ wasn't neutral, this would have been over in less than 96h with both Pyro and BB totally destroyed. You should be thankful that CJ stayed neutral and kissing his ass.

Now you are just being ridiculous. BTW, when will you man up and actually be who you are Bour? I am still waiting for you to show that basic level of intestinal fortitude that God gave the common garden slug. Then we will work on a spine from there.

[DM_Benjamin]

Actually if you would do something else than lame "defending your mate" it Sheister has very consist and coherents posts.

As opposed to trolling everyone on the forums and crying to Bishop?

Be quiet or I'll hit you with my wallet

[Korp]

As opposed to trolling everyone on the forums and crying to Bishop?

Be quiet or I'll hit you with my wallet

Oh man, that is so hilarious you are so butthurt its unbelievable. Nobody needs to cry to Bishop (Not that he would listen either way) when people like you dont know to behave. So simply put dont blame others for your shortcomings.

[DM_Benjamin]

Call the ambulance, I just got burned

[AquaSeaFoam]

Lol. I hope this was a bad troll attempt.

Our war agreement was done long before your notice, so, bai! I dont see how "extending yr x + notice" into "we war at yr x" is bypassing a notice. Its a simple extend to give them additional preptime. Your logic is far to seek ;p

Every part of our deal was made before yours and was due before yours. Every part of your deal was made after ours. Your deal to quick bypass your notice deal and your later scheduled dates directly caused a deal break on us, directly screwed us out of the target we were scheduled for first and that we noticed first, and cost us our chances int he crown race. Not only all that, but you also caused us to break pump and sit trained up for a week using all our resources by not even letting us know of your **** play until the last minute.

It's a frequent tactic in the top these days for a kingdom to threaten to farm out to a more friendly kingdom to dodge another. It's also considered a major **** play to accept such a thing and this is exactly what you did. Despite this, did you see us whining about it in public to have you gb'd for it or deal breaking you for it? We did nothing. You didn't and still won't even apologize for it let alone give any reparations or accept any "punishments".

Yea its all one big conspiracy orchestrated by me. I've managed to get Emeriti council to have their friends raze BB into war just so I could start this war. Uhu. /sarcasm

Post war cf where you were mass exploring attackers up into his range and ingored their cf requests (4 read messages without any reply). Then after Bour razed he immediately offered all land and extra back for a cf again before you even had to ask. All you had to do was give him a cf and you would have came out of it with extra cow land and no harm. But no, you wouldn't do that would you? Instead you'll lie and deal break and gb into real war (not post war which is just vulturing since it can't affect the outcome of any ongoing conflict.) It's clear that you only wanted any excuse you could find to continue your **** play and you rejected all offers to put BB in a stronger position than they would have been without Bour even playing.

[Korp]

Post war cf where you were mass exploring attackers up into his range and ingored their cf requests (4 read messages without any reply). Then after Bour razed he immediately offered all land and extra back for a cf again before you even had to ask.

"Ignored" Can we all assume, that if Emeriti hasnt responded within a timeframe of 4 hours they also ignoring and Emeriti refuses all deals?

[AquaSeaFoam]

I would like to clarify some of the confusion regarding Pandas and Sillies CF.

The CF deal was made long before any of this, Sillies told us they only grew to war WSK, that the top 1 was never their objective. We told them it was good, since both kds had good relations, that we didn't set for top 1 either, were mostly on a war age, even if having extreme difficulty in finding them.

Your deal was made after flogger had deal broke Emeriti into their war and others had joined on both sides to help. Your kingdom said they would not join the awar as part of the premise of the deal. So what you say here is wrong.

Later we decided to wave (Meep), after we noticed that they changed their one way razes into a third party war and their monarch hit Sleepy. (loc) was tagged CF or War as well and being the only kd in our range who was available and with an interesting setup allied to an agressive attitude, we decided to send a partial wave to tempt them to war.

They informed us that they were still involved in the awar and we reached a CF deal with (Meep) alone.

No other deal was made with any other kd nor about the AWAR. We did inform all parties and CJ was aware of it aswell, that we had no interest in the awar and were remaining neutral as we were until then.

In the sn on Meep, they had approximately 60 razes on Pyro and one trad march outside the awar. They had more razes before this also and their meter on Pyro was maxed. The one outside hit was a mistake and had already been apologized for to the kingdom they hit. This one hit among 60+ razes is a bs excuse and you know it. Why do you need to try and make up false reasons for what your kingdom did?

At the time we worked out the Meep deal you assured us that you would keep all of your cf deals and that you waved them and not Emeriti because you had a cf deal with Emeriti. This lie you told about keeping all deals was central to you being able to trick us into you getting two free waves on Meep to cf them and then stay out of the awar. Instead you just fort pumped the new land and jumped right back in.

Some days later we became aware of new developments and information, that changed the way many felt about this awar. The entry of other kds with whom with had friendly relations joined allied to the new facts, made us decide that we should participate in this awar.

New developments my ass. Prior to making the meep deal you assured us you kept all deals and you had a YR6+notice deal with Emeriti. Once you collected all the land ont he meep deal, you then changed your tune. You threatened to void the deal because a province in Meep's kingdom made an ambush (even though the land was obviously offered back to you). You also started saying you didn't agree to stay out of the awar anymore and wouldn't even confirm anymore that you'd keep your deals despite the whole premise of Meeps deal being based on your word of keeping all deals.

Pandas leadership have proven themselves to be deal breakers and liars.

[AquaSeaFoam]

"Ignored" Can we all assume, that if Emeriti hasnt responded within a timeframe of 4 hours they also ignoring and Emeriti refuses all deals?

Sure, just as long as you offer extra free land and more back for the same deal after and that it's not into any active conflicts.