Proposal to end he Awar

[flogger]

"facts"

[AquaSeaFoam]

So clever flogger to put quotes around a word after you've repeatedly been caught in lies.

[flogger]

When did I lie?

[citadela01]

So clever flogger to put quotes around a word after you've repeatedly been caught in lies.

You do tend to present your opinions as facts, hence the quotation makrks i presume

[flogger]

You realize the entire point of me posting our evidence in steps was to catch you in about 5 different steps of lies before we acted, right? You simply never admit to anything unless I have a screenshot of an in-game message proving to the contrary. You've already denied everything at every step of the way until I produce more evidence. There's a reason I made sure you went back and looked at your logs before we even spoke.

[Verminator]

"My entire motivation behind creating this clusterbleep was to enact some complicated plan to trap ASF and catch him being dishonest."

Again, man to man issue becomes realmwide calamity. Assassinating the target with a nuke when a bullet would have sufficed. Sorry Flogger, I really do prefer to remain impartial, but you're not helping your cause when you describe your motivation this way.

[flogger]

It wouldn't have been a complicated trap if at any point in the period of a week someone over there just manned up insteada covering up.

[Verminator]

Just goes to show, never base the content of a trap on the expected actions of the victim.

[protector]

"Ignored" Can we all assume, that if Emeriti hasnt responded within a timeframe of 4 hours they also ignoring and Emeriti refuses all deals?

By their logic: yes. Lol

[Sheister]

I don't even know what you're referring to regarding your first statement there. I was just (correctly) accused of posting the same things over and over. These things I'm posting over and over are the facts of the situation that your side hates to be known because it makes what you did look really inexcusable. When the full facts are shown, the lies your side has been trying to make people believe no longer make any sense.

My point is, AGAIN, that you never actually present facts, just your opinion and conclusory statements which you proffer as FACT. You do not have facts, you have opinions.

Bour offered all land back plus extra free land from the time he first razed. This was before any pump was interrupted and before any real damage had been done. This is a FACT. Why do you try so hard to lie about it?

As I outlined to you there are multiple levels of damages here. Lets tally them up shall we? There is the land, which I believe was 750 acres. During the time that BB was without it they lost not only the value of the land but the value of its production. 750*25*24 (lets assume it was only 24 ticks they were without it, it may be more or less, I don't know the exact number.)*2.75 = 1237500 gc (not including banks/science/bonuses). Lets assume they were running 30% guilds so they lost out on 30*7.5 or 225 guilds or 225*.02*24 = 108 wizards behind schedule. Now these were cow acres, so that also casued a delay in exploration. so 24 hrs longer to amass the gc for exploration * their explore costs * the acres to be explored * all the effects above.

Then we add on the KD wide costs of having to convert from pump builds 25provicnes*60% of land*1K/landgc*total land apply to wizards, gold, etc etc etc,

Then we add on the costs of late diplomacy causing futher disruption to the flow of resources etc.


So let me be clear again. Bour did not offer ANYTHING NEAR the damage he caused. I have not even gotten into deterrence or punitive damages. So do not spout BS about full and fair reparations. You all offered nothing relative to the total cost and disruption caused by your conspiracy. YES IT WAS a conspiracy, look at the logs where your leadership in channel with bour discuss precisely what was to happen before it actually happened. THAT is a conspiracy. The fact that it happened almost precisely as described is prima facia evidence that the conspiracy was carried out. Again I refer you to the wiki on inchoate crimes and the defenses available for inchoate crimes. Note again that you fail to meet the threshold criteria for any of the defenses to an inchoate crime.

[protector]

Every part of our deal was made before yours and was due before yours. Every part of your deal was made after ours. Your deal to quick bypass your notice deal and your later scheduled dates directly caused a deal break on us, directly screwed us out of the target we were scheduled for first and that we noticed first, and cost us our chances int he crown race. Not only all that, but you also caused us to break pump and sit trained up for a week using all our resources by not even letting us know of your **** play until the last minute.

It's a frequent tactic in the top these days for a kingdom to threaten to farm out to a more friendly kingdom to dodge another. It's also considered a major **** play to accept such a thing and this is exactly what you did. Despite this, did you see us whining about it in public to have you gb'd for it or deal breaking you for it? We did nothing. You didn't and still won't even apologize for it let alone give any reparations or accept any "punishments".




Post war cf where you were mass exploring attackers up into his range and ingored their cf requests (4 read messages without any reply). Then after Bour razed he immediately offered all land and extra back for a cf again before you even had to ask. All you had to do was give him a cf and you would have came out of it with extra cow land and no harm. But no, you wouldn't do that would you? Instead you'll lie and deal break and gb into real war (not post war which is just vulturing since it can't affect the outcome of any ongoing conflict.) It's clear that you only wanted any excuse you could find to continue your **** play and you rejected all offers to put BB in a stronger position than they would have been without Bour even playing.

Erhm, our formal CF with them expired more than a week before you noticed em.
Get it now?

Fwiw, this whole Bour woukd fake hostile us would just end in Dorje waving us anyway. You'd tell us "bour has a small kd not in range, hostile is not legit!"
We would be in a worse position than if no razes happened. Is this really so hard to understand?

[protector]

You can try and twist words into something else, but this is not what happened with Bour. Bour had 4 people in Bb read and ignore his messages that he made clear were urgent. He then hit and again offered them more new deals. BB did start talking to him after he got their attention by razing. At this time they directly rejected his offers of giving all land back plus extra for a cf. They then also directly rejected his offer of all land plus extra plus gc plus fake hostile for a cf.

Because you are so ****ing braindead that you thought (and still think) that this was about land. NEWSFLASH: it wasn't. We had EVERY intention to just razekill that ghetto up until we found out this was Emeriti doing it.

Ill repeat it again because this is the only thing you use to try and get people to help you: Beastblood does not do this because they want to crown unlike ASF keeps telling people. Anyone believing his crap can see for himself at eoa that I speak the truth.

[protector]

While you ignore the fact that it was your kingdom that suggested that he should raze your enemy kingdom to force a CF deal? :D ... No, I didnt ignored that part, but what you been claiming initially that due to them not responding fast enough for your taste they ignored and refused all deals. I would also refuse a deal with someone that just razed one of my provs, especially someone that has pulled this kind of behaviour previously and is friends with my top contender.

You must have some magical ability for sure, cause even with soldiers, gold coins and armouries it would take some time to train up.

The leverage lies in the threat of razing not actually razing. :) Or if the fact that you possed the training time of 5 hours which you seem to think is possible..

Im pretty nub yea :) It doesnt change the fact that you have repeated the same content for 21 pages now like a mantra.

That's the point: they claim they did it because bour would get farmed. Fact is, nothing indicated we were going for bour

The razes started a few hours after Emeriti and BB didnt manage to make a CF deal. Like duh, why CF sages for 9 weeks?

One would wonder how a 2k acre province would be a threat to a what, 3k acre province? The 2k untrained, fresh explored and not even full pop, no resources? To a 3k dude with like what, 25k troops? Dont remember the exact numbers on troops /land.
The threat part is just a coverup to disguise the real reasons.

[protector]

Emeriti's side is against deal breaking and has made offers to end this and directly return to a decent fair competitive framework. It's BB that initiated this and refuses such offers.

We didn't ask friends to raze into eowcf. **** off with your 'bb initiated this'.

[Squee311]

You honestly think they wanted to solve this via diplomacy?

A diplomatic solution was offered and refused. Another ne has been offered and refused. Is that not the definition of Diplomacy failing? And yes If Emeriti pulled out of the age this would have never happened. If they stopped thinking that getting the land back outside of the EOWCF is equal to having that land and it not being razed and not having to convert early and adjust the time line then yes i think this would never be an issue. To continue thinking the land taken was not a huge deal when it forces a shift of how BB had to draft and stock and forced their hand into a the CF deal in the first place. I think you need to stop being blind to it and realize that the implanted idea is what caused this and was all on Emeriti. The fact you chose to stay in the race is on you and failing diplomacy to end it and lead the GB.

You do not have to agree with the situation or feel you had to sit out but to say they didnt offer a diplomatic solution is just stupid