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Squee gets it.
"having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
"while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date
The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.
Pyro was actioned for it. Its an online game, you can't control things 100%. Ask benM, he also multied. Don't be so ****ing hypocriteOriginally Posted by Judge
As for the bounces: FS was hostile with Stoners. They had been for days. Suddenly an other kingdom hit them continously. They refused to stop even asking friendly about 15 times, so we bouncewaved their largest prov.
And?
(our CF with them had no terms and they were not getting hit by FS)
OMG pyro confirmed cheaters. Thats fine, BB who are supposedly the ethical kd have no problem aligning with those dirty cheats.
Emeriti, do something small and perhaps serious but go to great lengths to repair the damages. Suddenly its fair to DEAL-BREAK and GANG-BANG them.
This is the blatant dis-proportionality to the whole thing, not to mention the hypocrisy of aligning with last ages CONFIRMED cheaters.
So supreme you asked for a yr10 cf early yr1 lol.
One member was found to be a multi. Again this is painting the entire kingdom with the actions of one member. If this is the standard, then every province in emeriti and every player is in on the conspiracy.
If proposing a settlement that is so far below the actual damages is going to great lengths......Emeriti, do something small and perhaps serious but go to great lengths to repair the damages. Suddenly its fair to DEAL-BREAK and GANG-BANG them.
They are against this ages confirmed conspirators. I see no problem here. You sir have the double standard, not BB. Do you not believe that once someone has been punished that they have paid their debt? Pyro's confirmed cheating, if you believe it was the entire KD, was actioned by the developers directly. Their punishment is beyond review. It was completed. We are now dealing with this age. If you want to bring up past wrongs, I can cite all sorts of account trading that ASF was associated with, I know for a fact that he played with at least three separate cross loggers because those same cross loggers later played in kingdoms with me and described in detail how to set up a cross logging setup like absalom had. I mean we can keep going down that rabbit hole, or we can stick to what is relevant, this age.This is the blatant dis-proportionality to the whole thing, not to mention the hypocrisy of aligning with last ages CONFIRMED cheaters.
Last edited by Sheister; 21-06-2015 at 23:34.
"having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
"while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date
The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.
Aren't you punishing every member of Emeriti for something that maybe 1-2 people are responsible for?
Yes, because that is the standard. I like to point this out because people like to paint pyro with a broad brush and then say that only a few of the leadership of emeriti were part of the conspiracy.
"having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
"while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date
The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.
Obviously the rest of the KD had no idea! none! ahem.
The settlements seemed very reasonable. The GB and blatant CF break was not.
Gb'ing 2 v1 a kd is probably not cheating per se. Its just going back on ones word that there is a CF. Oh and the small matter of 2v1 ing. Obviously its not punishable by the mods like pyro were punished last age as it went against no written rules.
Then why are BB allied with Pyro if they're cheaters? Isn't this whole thing about ethics?
I would suggest a proportionate response and not the backstabbing that bb did to Emeriti. There seemed to be some very reasonable proposals.
no.
I have stated as much, you may believe it or not as you wish. There are I think three theads around someplace dedicated to rehashing all of that. I will refer you there. But here I too can question that no one else in emeriti had a clue that there was a conspiracy to use allied kingdoms in the manner described in the logs. It is easy to just label all in one KD as it is in the other.
Please show your calculations of value as to how their proposed offer was reasonable and be sure to reference how you derive their values for actual, compensatory, consequential, deterrence and punitive damage awards. No, they did not seem reasonable to BB, they don't seem reasonable to me. They don't seem reasonable to a great many people. They may seem reasonable to you, but before you write that in stone, I urge you to actually calculate the damages and test your conviction on that. I will be curious to see your analysis.The settlements seemed very reasonable. The GB and blatant CF break was not.
Is it going back on ones word, or lets generally make it more clear, breaking an agreement if the agreement was made pursuant to fraud and conspiracy? Those on the BB side believe it is not. Address the fraud and conspiracy and then reanalyze if BB is being reasonable. I will again be curious to see your analysis.Gb'ing 2 v1 a kd is probably not cheating per se. Its just going back on ones word that there is a CF. Oh and the small matter of 2v1 ing. Obviously its not punishable by the mods like pyro were punished last age as it went against no written rules.
If a party has paid their debt to society, are they forever regarded with suspicion and locked out of all decent company in society? Or are punishments not only meant to deter but also to allow a chance for reform? If pyro was actioned and paid that debt, then the focus is more properly on THIS age, not a given previous age. Alternatively, if you believe that such actions forever color the character of the participants, than I will point to all of the absalom members being associated with or directly involved with cross logging, account trading and other direct game rule violations out the wazoo for a period of over 30-40 consecutive ages. Should we discuss why people are siding with them, known cheaters that they are?
No, lets keep things simple and deal with this age.
Last edited by Sheister; 21-06-2015 at 23:48.
"having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
"while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date
The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.
Honestly, even if it was a settlement below expectations, the reaction should STILL not have been what happened. Below expectations offer? Counter-offer. Negotiate. TALK.
Don't respond to the first unsatisfactory offer with a full wave and CF break. The diplomacy dialogue had been opened, but instead of staying in the dialogue, you attacked instead. Again, I stress, the dialogue for talking was opened. The offer was not satisfactory. You didn't have to then go right to guns blazing.
You don't think we talked? You don't know ASF very well, do you?
You keep pushing for ethics argument to level of absurdity in your comments Palem.
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