Proposal to end he Awar

[Anri]

Before Bishop steps in, Anri, I'm gonna warn you not to quote long posts. :)

It was more a way of "saving" it.
But ok. Cant post relavant long quotes. Noted.
Hope ASF understands how his kd pissed on mine several times last age. We wanted a clean age and let it happen thus Emeriti crowned. But does not take away the spotlight on all **** they pulled. I wonder where was Emeriti friends last age and did they play unclean to help emeriti then also?

Dont rly want to be involved. Just stating Emeriti burned many bridges. Them getting actioned is not wierd at all. They should drop out of the top n go warring tiers if they still in the top. Its a proper solotion. They should also acknowledge all the **** they pulled.

[TheOne]

What i see from the logs are

- sneaky person trying to dodge a larger kd by arranging a cf before another cf expired
- sneaky person indicated a form of interest with assumptious person about extending cf, but nothing finalized or set in stone.
- assumptious person made a calculated gamble to sci pump and got caught out

I think everyone has some form of sneakiness at the top, and everyone needs to make some assumptions/gambles at the top.

For the record about how much gc was 'gifted', i always mentioned 1.5 dragons (at least initially. Then someone quoted 2.5t). It was basically funding their current leftover half funded Drake + extra loose change. I don't rmb the amount, but it isn't 2.5mil (too low) nor 2.5 full drakes (too high)

[Sheister]

[13:03] <NesTa13> [02:23] <Mithras> Leshrak have planned according to a 72h cf and thats what I inherrited and thats what I had to work with

Ah, so now who was it who represents one thing while planning another? aka, bad faith?

[13nesta13]

What i see from the logs are

- sneaky person trying to dodge a larger kd by arranging a cf before another cf expired
- sneaky person indicated a form of interest with assumptious person about extending cf, but nothing finalized or set in stone.
- assumptious person made a calculated gamble to sci pump and got caught out

I think everyone has some form of sneakiness at the top, and everyone needs to make some assumptions/gambles at the top.

For the record about how much gc was 'gifted', i always mentioned 1.5 dragons (at least initially. Then someone quoted 2.5t). It was basically funding their current leftover half funded Drake + extra loose change. I don't rmb the amount, but it isn't 2.5mil (too low) nor 2.5 full drakes (too high)

Discussing CF extensions/deals from no-deals or from deals that have expired, based on what you already have with other KDs so that it benefits you and the other party is OK. And has always been the case. I was fully disclosing that I have already finalised and close CFs with the 2 bigger KDs and I do not mind having a CF with a KD that was going to be more in range of me and providing a fairer fight to expire before them so that we can fight in range rather than having to fight 15% upwards. Emeriti thought the same way, as how the conversation went showed.

Re-arranging CF deals that have already been set, and manipulating its expiry date thereafter, is not OK. Like if we already dealt with Emeriti to year 8 and then if emeriti or us or both have CFs expiring with the bigger KD in year 6, and then us shifting it to July year 5 is not OK.

As for making "assumptions" that we had a common understanding that the deal was done, sure thats no problem if people want to wordplay and forever henceforth be labelled as such and nobody would give you any goodwill dealing in future. People too narrow-minded and focused about winning forget that every age is 12 weeks long and after that everyone starts on a clean slate in-game again, but your credibility and people's memory of that incident doesnt change, not for a short while at least.

Remaining amount on the drake was slightly over 2 mil (like ~2.3mil). I was not one of the robbers since I was playing the cow and was out of range. Instructions were given to rob to fund down the 2.3 million and 3 to 4 were tasked to do exactly that. It could have been likely that each of them ended up robbing 800k-1 mil since it wasnt as clearly coordinated like "4 of you each take 550k", and then realising drake was funded down and they ended up with say another 2 mil in change. Go back and check your whatsapp logs since that's what you love to do. You were broke training to fsu on simians and you had no stock for us to rob and had to TOG the balance.

[Guilty Conscience]

anri is a douche-bag but he's right.

[Palem]

Banned.


Taking notes:
-Dodging is a gangbangable offense
-Wanting longer cfs [when considering sages vs clerics] also gangbangable.


These will be helpful later.

[Verminator]

Make it easier on yourself, compile a list of what isn't a gangbangable offense. You'll have less work and a shorter list.

[Judge]

Make it easier on yourself, compile a list of what isn't a gangbangable offense. You'll have less work and a shorter list.

Playing according to anri is not gangable offence.. You just give notice to 3 kingdoms and then shout wolf! :D

[tetley]

Palem.... your quest to be clever and sarcastic comes off a bit smug and makes you impossible sometimes lol :p
I don't think anri is saying those actions on their own call for a gang bang.
I think his suggestion is more like: "the totality of frustrating and questionable play in the past make them less sympathetic and less believable when they say they aren't ****playing in the present, and they deserve punishment for all the things they have done. And it makes people more willing to take sides against them because they have screwed people over."

[Palem]

Tetley

Are you suggesting Anri is suggesting that something other than Emeriti's actions this age are contributing to kingdom's motivation behind gangbanging them...o_O

[Anri]

thanks for the ban on that guy.

I dont think i or he said it was gangable to dodge thou, you did. Just that if one KD is left to train up and they have intentions to let the other KD train up by dodging into another fight the other KD might and should probably wave them for it. They put themselfs into a 2 vs 1 situation, its not like its some GB conspiracy.

We did not have this loggfile back then, if we had the logg we had not let it go (entire KD wanted to wave them for it but Vir and me said no cause we wanted to win a flawless crown without BS like that and the need to act like that).

We had waved them 1h after they engaged Pyro if we had the logg, on the date we always intended to wave them. Hearsay was not enough even if we always knew. They let us draft up and destroy our pump in the process of dodging us and they waited until the very last hour they could before they really engaged Pyro.

The loggfile clearly shows this was the intention by Emeriti to hurt my KD. Have no doubts about us being able to crush them. At this point we had banks and a bigger core then Emeriti and on top of this we had huge gc stack and at least double amount of science compared to Emeriti (they played like total nubs first weeks).

I can tolerate dodges if the deals are done in such a way in the first place and they dont force the other KD to train up. I clearly remember myself forcing KDs to train up and i suffered the consequence for it and learnt by it. Whatever happens to Emeriti this age it is part of the Karma. I wont push it and discuss all other **** they done last age, because i find this more then enough and after all its a new age. It still just comes to show how many people they pissed of since they came back to the game. Its been a ticking bomb ready to blow off. Everyone has a certain tolerance but at some point the ****play needs to end.

I remember getting GBed by abs two times, they most certainly showed no mercy. Up to 15 kds was attacking my KD and we were totally crushed before they moved on. Even when BiO and Simians had 250-350 kds gbing them in the 30s it was only a couple of pages worth of discussion on utimes.

Someone should hand out tissues to absalom... The biggest whining ive seen in a long time.
I wish also the true face of emeriti evil would show up more. Dorje, Leshrak and Cerb.
ASF is in my mind maybe the only thing i respect in absalom even if he lost some credibility in this ongoing awar.

[Anri]

Playing according to anri is not gangable offence.. You just give notice to 3 kingdoms and then shout wolf! :D

and we forced em to train up, got 2 vs 1 for it since we re-cfed Rage.
Its how it goes. Same should of happend to Emeriti last age for leaving a dodgy and very wierd notice to Pyro to dodge my KD.

[protector]

I've seen that BB and Pyro leaders are also often hard to reach when they don't want to agree to a cf/extension deal.

I'm not hard to reach and you know this. I mostly respond within a few minutes/hours depending on whether I'm around or not.
It rarely happens that it takes me a day to respond. Which is, if it happens, during weekends in which I'm not home.

I challenge you to go ask around on how quick I do or don't respond. Heck, I even replied your IRC msg after reading it.

[Anri]

Tetley

Are you suggesting Anri is suggesting that something other than Emeriti's actions this age are contributing to kingdom's motivation behind gangbanging them...o_O

I think tolerance level was very low for Emeriti start of this age for many players on the server. All i am saying.

[Palem]

I think tolerance level was very low for Emeriti start of this age for many players on the server. All i am saying.

OMG Anri. Stop trying to push this agenda that people have a vendetta against Emeriti. Everything that's happening is about this age!


Sorry, I don't mean to over react, but this is the reaction I get when suggesting that people might have a score to settle against from previous ages.