Proposal to end he Awar

[Judge]

and we forced em to train up, got 2 vs 1 for it since we re-cfed Rage.
Its how it goes. Same should of happend to Emeriti last age for leaving a dodgy and very wierd notice to Pyro to dodge my KD.

You are again missing a point here. You gave notice to 3 kingdoms in first scenario and then Sanc started to hit you and you, to avoid sanc, started hitting HOH. You got the two way hostile yourself.

Here again you gave notice, Emeriti just used the unclosed deal that leshrak and nesta never closed to dodge(right word maybe?) So technically both should be blamed for never closing the deal. Not just one. You cannot clap with one hand!

Now lets take example of Alice, Emeriti & BB! Alice wanted to dodge Emeriti after we noticed them. So they Re-Constructed their deal with BB to 1 hour before our notice deal expired. BB knew about this(flogger and Protector both admitted this) still neither did they inform us about this nor did we cry out this loud as you are doing. Even we were forced to train up from 30% draft under this impression that we will be getting the war. I guess leshrak did talk with you about this.. But that time you simply said yea thats a douche move and went off.

So Why cry when the same Douche move was made on you?

[Darklove]

Anri tolerance for anyone who ask ppl to raze into eowcf is low

[tetley]

I think it's impossible to disregard the past entirely. As I've said to multiple people, there's obviously a culture of distrust between the "awar" groups, because in one group there is a lot of ex-abs members and in the other there is a prevalent anti-abs mentality. You can't interact with people you've known for 30 ages and think that history won't have an impact

[Anri]

OMG Anri. Stop trying to push this agenda that people have a vendetta against Emeriti. Everything that's happening is about this age!


Sorry, I don't mean to over react, but this is the reaction I get when suggesting that people might have a score to settle against from previous ages.

If you say so Palem...

Sorry, i did not mean to react this way, this is the reaction i get when people might not understand that a score to settle can last for as long as the one wanting to settle the score likes to pursue it. I took and given lots of damage across the ages for a long time and i am sure others have. I know your statement is flawed. I dealt with abs for a long time and the moment anyone ask me or my friends for help to deal with absalom i will try to be there and help them in any way possible. Ofc what happens the last 65 ages matters. Its been calm for some time now but Emeriti hit a breaking point and things was ready to blow off again when having this Bour dude hit BB. It was bound to happen.

You can count on people like myself and many others picking sides with anti-abs until our last dying breath.

[Mike^]

^This.

[Palem]

[Anri]

You are again missing a point here. You gave notice to 3 kingdoms in first scenario and then Sanc started to hit you and you, to avoid sanc, started hitting HOH. You got the two way hostile yourself.

Here again you gave notice, Emeriti just used the unclosed deal that leshrak and nesta never closed to dodge(right word maybe?) So technically both should be blamed for never closing the deal. Not just one. You cannot clap with one hand!

Now lets take example of Alice, Emeriti & BB! Alice wanted to dodge Emeriti after we noticed them. So they Re-Constructed their deal with BB to 1 hour before our notice deal expired. BB knew about this(flogger and Protector both admitted this) still neither did they inform us about this nor did we cry out this loud as you are doing. Even we were forced to train up from 30% draft under this impression that we will be getting the war. I guess leshrak did talk with you about this.. But that time you simply said yea thats a douche move and went off.

So Why cry when the same Douche move was made on you?

Both should not be blamed, it was Emeriti dodging us, Pyro had a good deal enough with us and was not really at risk of anything from Simians at that point in time. Simians was a later worry for them if anything. Nesta started a pretty good relation to Vir and Simians that age after all.

I am well aware of the BB, Alice and Emeriti story. Its been mentioned in here a lot of times and used as propaganda from absalom. The stories dont match.

Just as Simians got doubled by its own mess Emeriti created a conflict last age that could have got them a 2way. We said, let em do it, we want to win clean and not have Emeriti later on say we only crowned because we did this or that. If they choose then to play unsportsworthy it was up to them, the result was them getting a crown. A crown worth exactly nothing due to the events that took place then and later with the CP and Divinity wars. Good for them. But did my players get upset? Did we feel wronged? Hell yes. You know sometimes it all just adds up. Emeriti treating BB unfairly this age was yet another thing on the list and BB is from what i know not having their last age like we did so they find it worth to target Emeriti when they wrong them. We did not cause our desire was to win entirely clean and even overcome the obstacles of others trying to **** us. I know this comes hard to people in absalom, but this is the way a crown should be won.

[flogger]

Now lets take example of Alice, Emeriti & BB! Alice wanted to dodge Emeriti after we noticed them. So they Re-Constructed their deal with BB to 1 hour before our notice deal expired. BB knew about this(flogger and Protector both admitted this) still neither did they inform us about this nor did we cry out this loud as you are doing.

Actually I did message ASF, and he's cried about it over 100 times.

The entire reason you even noticed Alice was because you saw us preparing for a war vs them. Who didn't message who? We messaged you within ~18 hours of even finding out you were going for them. When you saw us going for them, you noticed Alice and never contacted us.

Your guys sense of entitlement in being entitled to a war with a kingdom half your size that didn't want to war you because you gave them a ceasefire could not be more annoying. Let kingdoms fight who they want to fight. I've found this has worked out well for us the past 10 ages or so, which probably explains why you aren't getting more support. We were right next to eachother on the charts, so they wanted to fight us.

[Leshrak]

Anri,

Are you also mad at Nesta for trying to set up a cf so either of our kds could dodge you? or are you only angry with us because we actually dodged you? Nevermind the fact that you were 40% larger than us, and you refused to extend cf with us numerous times that whole week by (guess what) stalling/ignoring our messages.

[Anri]

Apparently it needs to be told because you obviously dont understand the mentality of players like Mike and myself.
And if you think we are alone, then you are even more of a joker. I do say!

[Anri]

Anri,

Are you also mad at Nesta for trying to set up a cf so either of our kds could dodge you? or are you only angry with us because we actually dodged you? Nevermind the fact that you were 40% larger than us, and you refused to extend cf with us numerous times that whole week by (guess what) stalling/ignoring our messages.

WHY would we redo a new CF to your KD when you were told to be one of the biggest threats against our KD and we had a CF ending in a week, one that allowed us to eat your KD up and spit it out. We ONLY gave you a CF to this point in time because we wanted to eat you. There was nothing more to talk about once we had given you the chance to grow for 4 weeks to become a juicy target. Why would we be mad at Nesta? Pyro was never a concern to us last age and they were not in our target zone until maybe late age. We knew what battles we had infront of us and how we would win them and in what time frame we could win them. From your KD to pewpew and everyone else. We were very strict about our CFs and knew everyone else CF in the top, we knew you could not dodge us, but still you did. Either way, we did let it go, i am just saying that all these things adds up eventually. If pissing people off is a sport i might be good at it, but you been better.

[Mike^]

^This.

[Leshrak]

Why would we be mad at Nesta? Pyro was never a concern to us last age and they were not in our target zone until maybe late age.

Pyro and us were within 5% land of each other. So if you say that Emeriti was a "juicy target", then Pyro was also a "juicy target" - and maybe even juicier since they had explored a couple days more recently than we did. Did you actually read the logs? Do you actually remember the details other than you being angry with us? Nesta told me he was sure he would be getting noticed by you - that was the whole point of us discussing dodging you to begin with.

[Anri]

Pyro and us were within 5% land of each other. So if you say that Emeriti was a "juicy target", then Pyro was also a "juicy target" - and maybe even juicier since they had explored a couple days more recently than we did. Did you actually read the logs? Do you actually remember the details other than you being angry with us? Nesta told me he was sure he would be getting noticed by you - that was the whole point of us discussing dodging you to begin with.

Nesta was never at danger, i can see his concern, he probably thought i for one was out to get him. Uto makes you paranoid. But basicly we were out to feast on Emeriti.

Btw, shouldnt you instead at least say what asf said many pages back that maybe you did not treat Simians in the best way?

Also maybe you should make a new proposal to anti-abs, one that they could think about accepting and turn on a new leaf again.
I see nothing of a kind in this thread and if anything it makes people even more willing to hurt your KD. Instead of water you keep adding gasoline to the fight. Have it your way.

[Palem]

lol Anri, if you're going to condescend to someone I would suggest first making sure that the person isn't being sarcastic towards you. If the sarcasm wasn't clear by the giant Nic Cage meme, I'll make it more clear (all the following posts were posted in this exact thread, usually being argued against saying that Emeriti is getting gangbanged because of their actions this age)

I'm really confused. SWEA did all these things and more that Emeriti is accused of. Admitted they did it, and crowned.

Where were all of you and your ethics when that was happening? Is it really about what you're accusing them of, or maybe, just maybe, you guys are having an awful lot of fun power playing a kingdom that you can't beat on your own...?

You've done nothing to answer why you did nothing to stop blocking, persuaded OOW hits, and the such back then, or as to why it is now suddenly an egregious offense of the highest caliber. It's ok if it's your allies doing it?

Can you describe exactly what this kingdom has done that has given them such a deep history of poor conduct? This kingdom has existed for like 3 ages iirc.

K. Just confirming that Emeriti was getting gangbanged for something other kingdoms did.

Aren't Emeriti being treated this way because they were formally Abs?
Almost everyone in this thread refuses to call them by their name and instead, Abs.

This is going to provide some serious laughs over the coming ages.

Extra laughs for the anticipated "We disbanded! This is a totally different kingdom!" excuse of why you shouldn't be getting treated poorly lol

Well you see, Emeriti is being punished for the actions of abs, despite continuously explaining that they are not abs* for the sole reason that most of people in the kd were previously associated with the alliance.

With all due respect Maxibro, if you need evidence that Emeriti is being treated the way they are because of a lot of them used to play in an old alliance and not necessarily totally because of just things done this age, you need only look around at all the posts talking about how dirty abs was. It's on people's minds, I assure you.

Here's a couple examples from this thread. Didn't really need to dig that deep either

I didn't say that was the case.

I simply suggested that Emeriti is getting a super raw deal (compared to what some other kd would get) because of their past. Everyone decided to act like I was a clueless idiot basing claims off nothing.

Tetley

Are you suggesting Anri is suggesting that something other than Emeriti's actions this age are contributing to kingdom's motivation behind gangbanging them...o_O

I clearly don't understand the mentality of the players joining in on the gangbang. By all means keep passing this wisdom along that makes BB's allies look in fact not like white knights who are defending the ethics of the game, but rather what they really are, rodents picking at a enemy they wouldn't have stood a chance against without a major gangbang.