But will you?Originally Posted by lampost
But will you?
We had vastly different ideas on what that land size would beProtector's offer was February 24 of YR1, razes were July 10-11th YR0. ~61 hours. He also said his offer was a fair compromise.
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The longer this thread goes on, the clearer it becomes to me. Emeriti/Absalom players are well aware that the tactics they used this age, and for all of time, are shady and manipulative of the Utopian community. Their stance is simply to deny wrongdoing, offer their own carefully crafted point of view that absolves them of guilt, and repeat it ad infinitum. They are not here to have a logical debate on the morality of their actions. At best, they are trolls. You can all keep arguing with them as much as you want, it's somewhat entertaining. The reality is that the evidence is already present in the thread, and anyone who takes the time to read it will not have trouble coming to a conclusion. Despite the nonstop pleas of innocence from ASF, Mithras, and others, it appears that the jury has given it's verdict and the judge has ordered punishment. As Emeriti refuses to accept the terms of it, the executioner(s) must continue to carry it out.
Very well said, Chyrus
Wait a minute!!!! Are you Sheister?
This still doesnt justify dealbreaking, hitting into war and gbing in excess of what 100k acres and killing of multiple kds? (some random figure). There were many scenarios of worse ****plays and none of it to this scale of revenge, does this set the precedent then that ANY level of ****play can be repaid back with endless of 1 revenge because that's the precedent this is sitting. Then we would see many worser gbs and ****play disguised as revenge in future.
This is also not an alliance war, because if the definition of friends is an alliance then everyone on the server would be in an unamed alliance. Though you could argue that since abs have not formally disbanded that's subject to debate.
if getting hit into your war unprovoked doesnt justify a dealbreak, i have no idea what does.. one could argue 'it wasnt emeriti that hit into war, it was bour' - but that is already what emeriti leadership channel logs are about, 'lets not get our hands dirty, but get bour to do it' which is no different than doing it on their own in my eyes..
It's kind of funny though isn't it? My guess is that they were feeling bad since they gave bad advice and bour would have to be killed but they didn't want him killed either so because of that indecision IF it would have made a difference and BB accepted, now they are all getting killed which is a lol. It's the kind of crunch leadership kills where you have to cut of the toe to protect the body maybe they have watched too much movies where the "hero" gets to save everyone and have a happy ending.
Tell me a single instance of **** play equal or worse than this that has been met with this type of judgement in the past 20 ages?
Classification of **** play
a) Hitting into war in an organized intentional manner
b) Gangbanging
c) Breaking your word/deals
d) etc
I havent been paying attention much these past 10 ages but Debauchery's intentional dealbreak and other ****play was met with SWEA **** playing them to their benefit, Elit/Ama Gbing them, etc.
There's the AMA gb but I wasn't playing then, even then all parties cféd and it wasn't that bad? Or 1 of the gb's wasn't bad because I saw a lot of AMA players laughing about it on the forums.
And in all these instances it was way worser ****play than this instance with lesser penalties inflicted. There are many hits into war and eowcf every age and every other age for the past 20 ages why have they not been met with this type of revenge or punishment? Your justification currently is that we will burn them to the ground because their ally hit into eowcf but is that a fair justification, I believe FS have probably hit,stolen, etc in wars, eowcf etc in the past at least once in your utopian playing experience should you receive the same level of punishment too?
The question is not whether they deserved the punishment or not is that you're using it as an excuse for a blank cheque of punishment because never in recent history of at least 20+ ages has any of this sort of action been punished in this manner or extent. It's just because you have the power to powerplay abs back for its many years of what you consider injustice and you can exact it now that you have exacted this measure. If this was a kd without abs players would it have received this punishment or even to this extent?
First view the act separately from the kd. Then view the act and punishment in the history of how it's been actioned and it's pretty clear you're being unreasonable not so much because of the act but it's more of a trigger to past actions from previous ages.
How I would have äctioned it would be.
Due to your actions, I'll demand xx from you. This is not a negotiation, we will get it if you accept or by force. You can counter propose only if it's acceptable to me. Of course the "xx" would have to be reasonable. Getting acres from bour and emeriti is reasonable, a no or short cf after acre gain is also acceptable. Asking for 50% land in return for a raze a kd to disband that's unacceptable, doing what you have done now in a ****playing manner together with unreasonable request is also unacceptable.
Since you guys like to use real world context, if someone beats your brother by intention can you murder his whole family in real life? you can't. What if someone kills your brother? You still can't murder a single family member let alone his whole family because it's we operate in a lawful environment where laws govern that we aren't allowed to take the law into our own hands simply because the victims are often the worst judges, i'll give you an example of bullied kids going on killing sprees in schools and neighbourhoods. In the utopian context you are the bullied kid and this is your killing spree after years of bullying that you receive. Is bullying wrong? Yes, does it justify the bullied kid's killing spree since with a weapon he's now able to powerplay? No
Last edited by tak3shi; 25-06-2015 at 05:27.
So, what? They had it coming.
No matter how much u type and reason out, there is no use.
The only way ur word count is when u have the power.
In short, u must have the backing of kingdoms in combination stronger than the anti ABS allaince consisting of
BB, Pyro, FS, Jerks, Warseekers etc...
See how strong is the lineup?
Last edited by Feint; 25-06-2015 at 07:05.
Takeshi, ama ppl were laughing during gb cuz it was fully expected we would get the gb after our actions. We could have acted like idiots as well and keep doing the stuff abs kd does and post bs 24/7.
You were a part of the last two kingdoms that dealbroke, is dealbreaking your official utopian's signature?
Most of you were making fun of all of the kds gbing you and thrash talking them lol. In what way was that better?
As they took thier medesin and not arguing they they should not ?
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