Proposal to end he Awar

[SnirpsneR]

Most of you were making fun of all of the kds gbing you and thrash talking them lol. In what way was that better?

We accepted punishment without the silly nonsense.

[SnirpsneR]

You were a part of the last two kingdoms that dealbroke, is dealbreaking your official utopian's signature?

I was actually against it in ama.

Now I don't see the deal break. We are just dealing out punishment for abs kd actions. In such situation cfs are void.

[protector]

BB was offered acres from Bour wich they accepted and from Emeriti to compensate. They also got the time and a cf they wanted.

Stop circlejerking. We didn't get a CF we wanted, we got one we didn't want. We took one we HAD to take given the situation.

After this BB was asked (5 times according to flogger) if that was enough to compensate for any wrongdoings. Had they asked for more, they would have gotten more.

It took forever for Bourreau to accept anything. When I did make a proposal, I suggested they'd stay below a certain size AND we'd get 2500 acres. He haggled about the size, then we agreed to that.
All of a sudden he gets waved and surprise, his steward declares.
The next time we talked, he suddenly doesn't agree with 2500 acres??? Every time we talked it felt as if something else was changing and the whole repaying/compensating was pushed back further and further to a point where we got ZERO cow land back and we ONLY lost cow land. We also didn't get any stolen resources back which were a few million GC nor did we get compensated for any economic losses.

So any argument that BB was hurt in their prep for emeriti is bogus. It was all offered compensation for.

If I raze you into EOWCF, does it NOT hurt your preparation?! /takes notes

BB actively chose the dealbreak because it was more benefitial to them than a fair fight.

If this isn't a troll attempt, you're pretty ****ing retarded. You lost all rights to speak about fair fighting after you had us get razed by your friends.

And vir, don't make me go get logs (and yes, they are in swedish)

First off, when our first cf was made I made Anri aware of that we would not be able to fight you at that time. Anri was willing to let us have the time we asked for but you and Hesus voted him down. That was the first time I told you guys we wouldn't fight you
Second, I tried to extend our cf multiplle times but was ignored
Third, you came along and wanted me to agree on a war. I declined and once again offered to extend our cf. You then threatened to force acres for cf. I declined that offer too. I made very clear that we would not notice you, we would not fight you and we would not give you acres. This procedure was also repeated with Anri. That you think that you need to draft for us under those circumstanses is down to one thing and one thing only. You don't listen.

And lastly, we were prepping for you. We would not have noticed pyro if it it wasn't for you. And yes I said you didn't have to draft for nothing. That means it was your own choise to draft for nothing. I did my part telling you that we wouldn't notice you and that we wouldn't fight you if you noticed.

The hypocrisy in the above is that you refuse to give up land for a CF extend but also refuse to extend others for free and force them to either give you land OR make them agree to war you.

And we have explained multiple times by now that the offers made by flogger and protector was offered to set up a dealbreak, not to agree to a sulotion.

At first, no. But when you refused any form of punishment we were left with no choice other than taking matter into our own hands. Which is what we did.

If you don't want to see it I can't help you. But I'll copy the passages

zauper 6:15 PM
I don't love waving into eow?
Is it the example you want to set for acceptable play?I don't...

jdorje 6:17 PM
not really the example we want to set for acceptable play, no

cerberusv6.66 6:18 PM
eh
not sure how I feel about that

Gotta love quoting stuff outta context, places it in a different light ;p

Here's the one you should be quoting which has the more relevant parts:

jdorje 5:59 PM what total size will they be?

leshrak 5:59 PM 2.2, 2.1, 1.7
it's only 15k solds per prov
they released most of their core military
1 soldier/acre for the whole kd
cheap

jdorje 6:09 PM
soooo
back to the idea of waving them right now
we dont like this idea still?

leshrak 6:10 PM
i dunno
flogger offered yr2 cf
not yr6

cerberusv6.66 6:14 PM
Waving right now? I don't mind the idea so much.

zauper 6:15 PM
I don't love waving into eow?
Is it the example you want to set for acceptable play?I don't...

leshrak 6:16 PM
don't sit on 10 dpa in eowcf?

jdorje 6:17 PM
not really the example we want to set for acceptable play, no

leshrak 6:17 PM
they could be razed by 400a provs right now

jdorje 6:17 PM
if he's going to farm bour next
it's bour that should be razing them

leshrak 6:17 PM
slaps bour around a bit with a large trout

cerberusv6.66 6:18 PM
eh
not sure how I feel about that

jdorje 6:19 PM
if we cf them, bour is dead
and that is bad for us
so if i were bour i'd go get the cf now
with threats of postwar hitting if they refuse

cerberusv6.66 6:20 PM
true

cerberusv6.66 7:18 PM
so eh
are we done planning?
as in, we didn't?

jdorje 7:26 PM
do we raze stables to pump?
for almost a 3 day pump?

cerberusv6.66
stables

cerberusv6.66 7:33 PM
EH
okay
let's think aboutthis. Will we want them for a fight?
we'll have like 1.5k ospecs or something

jdorje 7:34 PM
obviously we'd like them

cerberusv6.66 7:34 PM
so 25% offensive increase for that
and 16% increase for our elites

jdorje 7:34 PM
are they better than 10% more forts for a fight PLUS ~45 hours of banks?
do we want homes for this pump?
i'm guessing we do

cerberusv6.66 7:34 PM
I think we lose them, and I think we want homes
if we're going to fight, we need to go all in on the preparation
before, wehn it looked like it was just one big prov, it looked a lot less scary
things as they stand look very loseable for us
so yeah, we need to do as much as possible. I' not sure what is optimal for said preparation though
but I don't think we want stables while we're preparing

bour 7:41 PM
msged BB ingame
Off. Points 66,646

cerberusv6.66 7:42 PM
gonna get that cf?

bour 7:42 PM
will try to get it

cerberusv6.66 7:42 PM
give them at most 3 hours to respond
start killing if they don't answer or try to delay
imo

bour 7:44 PM
the guy has 12k defense
lol

I think as punishment we should have dorje, cerb, leshrak, asf and mithras make a video of each of them writing 1000 times "Hitting into end of war cease fire is a poor sportsmanship, it is unethical and it is unacceptable behavior." and uploading it to UtopiaTube
Mithras can do 2000 since he likes to repeat himself even more than the others!

[Heiney]

No matter how much u type and reason out, there is no use.
The only way ur word count is when u have the power.
In short, u must have the backing of kingdoms in combination stronger than the anti ABS allaince consisting of
BB, Pyro, FS, Jerks, Warseekers etc...
See how strong is the lineup?

Sorry, BB had more pawns in this game. Emeriti, the only way U can win is to have your bishop helping you.

[Korp]

We should call this Cerberus for fake Cerberus imo

[Verminator]

Sorry, BB had more pawns in this game. Emeriti, the only way U can win is to have your bishop helping you.

This is a fun pun! I see what you did there, aaaahhhh ;)

[Verminator]

Now I don't see the deal break. We are just dealing out punishment for abs kd actions. In such situation cfs are void.

Perhaps a rule book should be established to determine under what circumstances ceasefires can just be easily labeled "void" and not "a deal break"

and while writing that rule book, maybe one would see how ridiculous it is to allow the "oh it's void because of XYZ" rule to exist...

[Korp]

Bishop is anti-abs though...

Verminator the rulebook is what the strongest part says they are.

[SnirpsneR]

Perhaps a rule book should be established to determine under what circumstances ceasefires can just be easily labeled "void" and not "a deal break"

and while writing that rule book, maybe one would see how ridiculous it is to allow the "oh it's void because of XYZ" rule to exist...

Don't organize razes into eow and you don't get gbed. Easy.

[MrCurious]

Don't organize razes into eow and you don't get gbed. Easy.

/thread

[bombdigie]

/thread

Only they had nothing to do with it, the logs clearly show this!

/continue circle-jerk

[Palem]

Don't organize razes into eow and you don't get gbed. Easy.

Does that mean BB and company will be getting GB'ed for razing into Emeriti's eow?

[Korp]

Does that mean BB and company will be getting GB'ed for razing into Emeriti's eow?

Will someone delete Bishop when he deletes someone? The judge doesnt get punished for delivering the punishment obviously unless they end up in a weaker spot.

[Over]

Does that mean BB and company will be getting GB'ed for razing into Emeriti's eow?

Who has power to do that? Next age, roles may be different.

[Leshrak]

I miss the dog pictures.

Here is another one of my dog as a puppy. He had just been neutered and this was his first experience with the cone of shame: