Originally Posted by
tak3shi
Tell me a single instance of **** play equal or worse than this that has been met with this type of judgement in the past 20 ages?
Classification of **** play
a) Hitting into war in an organized intentional manner
b) Gangbanging
c) Breaking your word/deals
d) etc
I havent been paying attention much these past 10 ages but Debauchery's intentional dealbreak and other ****play was met with SWEA **** playing them to their benefit, Elit/Ama Gbing them, etc.
There's the AMA gb but I wasn't playing then, even then all parties cféd and it wasn't that bad? Or 1 of the gb's wasn't bad because I saw a lot of AMA players laughing about it on the forums.
And in all these instances it was way worser ****play than this instance with lesser penalties inflicted. There are many hits into war and eowcf every age and every other age for the past 20 ages why have they not been met with this type of revenge or punishment? Your justification currently is that we will burn them to the ground because their ally hit into eowcf but is that a fair justification, I believe FS have probably hit,stolen, etc in wars, eowcf etc in the past at least once in your utopian playing experience should you receive the same level of punishment too?
The question is not whether they deserved the punishment or not is that you're using it as an excuse for a blank cheque of punishment because never in recent history of at least 20+ ages has any of this sort of action been punished in this manner or extent. It's just because you have the power to powerplay abs back for its many years of what you consider injustice and you can exact it now that you have exacted this measure. If this was a kd without abs players would it have received this punishment or even to this extent?
First view the act separately from the kd. Then view the act and punishment in the history of how it's been actioned and it's pretty clear you're being unreasonable not so much because of the act but it's more of a trigger to past actions from previous ages.
How I would have äctioned it would be.
Due to your actions, I'll demand xx from you. This is not a negotiation, we will get it if you accept or by force. You can counter propose only if it's acceptable to me. Of course the "xx" would have to be reasonable. Getting acres from bour and emeriti is reasonable, a no or short cf after acre gain is also acceptable. Asking for 50% land in return for a raze a kd to disband that's unacceptable, doing what you have done now in a ****playing manner together with unreasonable request is also unacceptable.
Since you guys like to use real world context, if someone beats your brother by intention can you murder his whole family in real life? you can't. What if someone kills your brother? You still can't murder a single family member let alone his whole family because it's we operate in a lawful environment where laws govern that we aren't allowed to take the law into our own hands simply because the victims are often the worst judges, i'll give you an example of bullied kids going on killing sprees in schools and neighbourhoods. In the utopian context you are the bullied kid and this is your killing spree after years of bullying that you receive. Is bullying wrong? Yes, does it justify the bullied kid's killing spree since with a weapon he's now able to powerplay? No
