Proposal to end he Awar

[stefan192]

[10:29] <stefan192> will be no "group" cf
[10:29] <stefan192> will be individual cf
[10:30] <PersainCAT> my understanding from emeriti was when its "over" everyone would just cf up
[10:30] <stefan192> killing an 2,5 mil books prov was unnecesary
[10:30] <PersainCAT> and my side gets size limits
[10:30] <PersainCAT> pking was part of the awar on both sides
[10:30] <stefan192> u think emeriti still exist?
[10:30] <PersainCAT> or did emeriti lose no provs?
[10:30] <stefan192> look at x:x
[10:30] <stefan192> we didnt pked
[10:31] <PersainCAT> your "side" did though no?
[10:31] <stefan192> so wsk will have an individual cf with divinity
[10:31] <stefan192> u can be sure
[10:31] <PersainCAT> well eoa be fine then?
[10:31] <PersainCAT> or do u want something else?
[10:32] <stefan192> i want acres for my core
[10:33] <PersainCAT> u wont get enough with an effectively free ww?
[10:33] <stefan192> nope
[10:34] <stefan192> u want to go for honor
[10:34] <stefan192> from what i see in paper
[10:35] <PersainCAT> naw...just dont have the runes to annon all my hits
[10:35] <PersainCAT> fearies cant ambush lol
[10:38] <stefan192> 3k acres for yr10 cf, 5k acres for yr12, 7k acres for eoa
[10:38] <PersainCAT> or u can just smash away whatever
[10:39] <PersainCAT> at this point a cf doesnt really serv us
[10:39] <PersainCAT> i mean as i said
[10:39] <stefan192> or we can hit u after war and kill 5 provs
[10:40] <PersainCAT> u can
[10:40] <PersainCAT> so could bb


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[Judge]

[10:29] <stefan192> will be no "group" cf
[10:29] <stefan192> will be individual cf
[10:30] <PersainCAT> my understanding from emeriti was when its "over" everyone would just cf up
[10:30] <stefan192> killing an 2,5 mil books prov was unnecesary
[10:30] <PersainCAT> and my side gets size limits
[10:30] <PersainCAT> pking was part of the awar on both sides
[10:30] <stefan192> u think emeriti still exist?
[10:30] <PersainCAT> or did emeriti lose no provs?
[10:30] <stefan192> look at X:X(Emeriti)
[10:30] <stefan192> we didnt pked
[10:31] <PersainCAT> your "side" did though no?
[10:31] <stefan192> so wsk will have an individual cf with divinity
[10:31] <stefan192> u can be sure
[10:31] <PersainCAT> well eoa be fine then?
[10:31] <PersainCAT> or do u want something else?
[10:32] <stefan192> i want acres for my core
[10:33] <PersainCAT> u wont get enough with an effectively free ww?
[10:33] <stefan192> nope
[10:34] <stefan192> u want to go for honor
[10:34] <stefan192> from what i see in paper
[10:35] <PersainCAT> naw...just dont have the runes to annon all my hits
[10:35] <PersainCAT> fearies cant ambush lol
[10:38] <stefan192> 3k acres for yr10 cf, 5k acres for yr12, 7k acres for eoa
[10:38] <PersainCAT> or u can just smash away whatever
[10:39] <PersainCAT> at this point a cf doesnt really serv us
[10:39] <PersainCAT> i mean as i said
[10:39] <stefan192> or we can hit u after war and kill 5 provs
[10:40] <PersainCAT> u can
[10:40] <PersainCAT> so could bb


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So Sheister What do you have to say about Stefan192's demands?

Thank you for posting this stefan..

[MyNameIsMatija]

Palem getting a heart attack alert hehe.

[Korp]

Now you got Palem mad, cause you posted locs and then quoted a post that posted locs!!

[Judge]

I nearly got myself banned!! Shhhhh :D

[TheOne]

Hi all.

First off, cRAZiEs has a yr6+48 hrs cf agreement with pandas, and we have been patiently waiting for the awar to 'end' so we could engage pandas. I have mentioned before to the relevant parties that I'll be more than fine with giving extra time to pandas to prepare after the awar, and such duration will be dependent on the state of the kingdom after 'awar' ends.

It has come to my attention the past 2-4 days, pandas have explored close to 12k pool acres while being in awar. Most of these acres were on their 6 faeries, while they were gutful enough to even 100% a 3.85k human. I have also surveyed some of their provinces, and most of their top provinces are running %20 schools.

40hrs ago, I started a convo with Flogger asking him how long should pandas be given to prepare after awar.. I didn't bother to bargain from 48hrs notice, but straight away suggested 3 days +48hrs as they were a 25 man tog kd. Flogger said that sounds reasonable but proposed 3 days +72hrs instead. We agreed on a 6 days prep time, and this is contingent on the awar ending within 24-48hrs when we talked..

Flogger mentioned to me that he will spend some considerable time to arrange for a diplomatic conclusion, and he came back a few hours later saying he felt there's a strong skeleton framework being done. And it would only take about 24hrs for all parties to agree on the fine details. He mentioned he will be away for 24hrs to celebrate his bday with his hot AZN gf, and Protector will take over the settlement of the cf later on.

I can only say It is unfortunate that the cf didn't get finalized about 18-20 hrs ago, and since then flogger has been uncontactable (understandably so cause its his bday).. Fs has declared on emeriti a few hrs after protector-leshrak talks broke down and the gb continues. I have read the logs of flogger-leshrak&jdorje and Protector-leshrak, and Im a little disappointed both sides couldn't find an agreement.

Anyway, cRAZiEs are just wondering when we will ever be able to give this 6 days notice ? (Note: I only agreed on 6 days if awar 'ends' like 24-48hrs from 36hrs ago). I have seen pandas gain about 3.5k cow acres, and a bunch of top core acres.. Acres that can't be found. And gives them the opportunity to double from a high base. I'm fine with all these, and fine with all their semi pump the last few days and am still willing to give 6 days prep time.

however. Idk . i nearly wanted to just notice just now, or state the notice starts from when fs declared on emeriti. Well. I'll wait and see. And wait for Flogger to wake up.

Also I am hoping somehow someway some diplo conclusion can occur

[cRs]

We knew when we entered this whole Awar that will end up with pks and so, we were lucky enough to not reach to that.
When we joined all this we took meep kd out from pyro and prepared them for a fight with FS(at that time we thought they will war us). Sleepy, divinity, emeriti and some outsiders all switched theyr arms to us in that hostile. We declared on sleepy - for 12-24 more hours, hits from all the alliance came on us. All good, its a awar np. 24h after we declared sleepy, meep kd was getting declared and PKed one by one. Sleepy was disbanding, emeriti tryed to help meep kd while divinity and some outside friend (Infinity wave) kept razing us.

By the time we ended our war with sleepy, meep kd was half, sleepy was disbanded and emeriti was GBed by the entire alliance.

Divinity was not hitted for days by the alliance and even if theyr entire alliance was falling all they were doing was: razing us for some reasons all this time...(we took SN and despite the fact meep kd was getting killed, emeriti was getting GBed but no they didnt cared.. they had something with us :P) and after sleepy surrendered they ganged up with theyr outsider/friend/multi or whateva(Infinity wave) and PKed one of us - and yes we took this personal PersainCAT cuz it was a personal act on us, dont try and hide behind this whole awar for this.

So yeah I totally agree with Stefan on this matter... ur CF with us has nothing to do with the awar, just as the PK.

[Guilty Conscience]

Did TheOne mean Pandas aren't allowed to explore anything because were engaged in the awar?
While someone being neutral is free to explore, attack, pump and free to do as they wish.

Its a lot more costly to be participating in the awar compared to be neutral and do exactly as you want. The situation for Pandas vs TheOne was far better before the awar compared to what it is now.

Edit: These "rules" apply for BB and the rest also?

[TheOne]

I just saw the logs of persain and Stefan. And I must say I'm a little disappointed with Stefan. I feel if you are part of the awar, all awar ending discussions should be done as a whole. And not individual cf deals between each kd. Especially its an acre seeking cf deal.

You/crs mentioned to me/others wsk joined cause you all were bored, needed friends in future to compete in the top, and last cause bb has been very friendly to you guys. Decent reasons.

I still think you shouldnt be doing individual diplo ending talks by yourself, but the leader of the group should do so. And it does seem a little -.- asking acres for a cf to end the awar involvement imo

[Heiney]

Did TheOne mean Pandas aren't allowed to explore anything because were engaged in the awar?
While someone being neutral is free to explore, attack, pump and free to do as they wish.

Its a lot more costly to be participating in the awar compared to be neutral and do exactly as you want. The situation for Pandas vs TheOne was far better before the awar compared to what it is now.

Edit: These "rules" apply for BB and the rest also?

I think you missed out the most important part of hiding in the cover of awar. I thought this awar was suppose to be in the name of punishment? Why are you so afraid us exploring when you could have chose not to join. Moreover, no one from your side has replied why do you need to take 7k from meep's kd. Shady much or do you really hve a guilty conscience.

[Felonious]

Why are ppl still calling this an 'awar'? The logs clearly show that its no such thing. Its just a dirty gangbang.

[Cheetzy]

Seems to me I'm pretty sick of hearing the whining coming from Sillies. You have all the advantages so maybe you should suck it up and wait. Its a shame it's CJ in reality who is holding up the end of the alliance war by having his tounge in both pies yet claiming to be the hard done too party. Nobody from Sillies has approached any of Panda's LS throughout this whole issue. CJ will do what he does regardless.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Why are ppl still calling this an 'awar'? The logs clearly show that its no such thing. Its just a dirty gangbang.

Your side failed it so hard that's all there's left to it. What did you think? That after winning the first conflict the winning side would just stop there? I'm sure that's what your ethics driven leadership would do if the roles were reversed. Emeriti were the last on the list because one side was smart enough to go from the bottom up and now they can't contain the tears. You mustn't have expected for Emeriti to be left alone in the end? The whole drive of the awar was to eventually get to Emeriti and give them a taste of their own medicine, a medicine they don't seem to be very fond of now.

cJ's KD had stray hits into the awar, guess into which side... The neutrality is almost tangible, also lets not forget the fact that he isn't trying to crown, he would never play for that, just wants to have a war with pandas in such conditions that he can't possibly lose, a crown was never a motive.

[TheOne]

@guilty conscious

Thanks for confirming that you guys have been more or less semi pumping and preparing the last few days behind the protection of awar. I mean. Schools on your top provs and doubling faeries. And stacking unwhorable acres. Yep.

The 6 days prep time I agreed to give you guys when 'awar ends' only if it concludes like 24-48hrs from ~40hrs ago. And since emeriti has entered war with fs. And there's no threat left on emeriti side. It seems to me that awar had 'ended'.

Perhaps this 6 days should start when fs declared emeriti? Or perhaps I will propose it starting June 1 yr6+6 days. Let me know what your council of 8 think. I mean, If you guys don't want this... Idk. Perhaps we can notice later, but a much short duration.. Perhaps back to 48hrs notice

I think it's a very good deal, considering you guys have basically nth left to do in this awar after fs declared emeriti.. You have alreadyy took all you could with those unwhorable cow and top core acres.. Plus free time to explore... You will only reject this for the reason... of course pumping behind awar like you did the last few days.

Oh ya.. You guys haven't explained why you took 1 TM out of 50-60 razes from meeps kd to signify that they aren't in awar and waved them for 3.5k acres claiming you are not interfering (this was before you rejoin). In fact, what was the rationale for demanding 3.5k more acres before cfing (which you agreed not to hit, but still did so a few days ago)

[Heiney]

Seems to me I'm pretty sick of hearing the whining coming from Sillies. You have all the advantages so maybe you should suck it up and wait. Its a shame it's CJ in reality who is holding up the end of the alliance war by having his tounge in both pies yet claiming to be the hard done too party. Nobody from Sillies has approached any of Panda's LS throughout this whole issue. CJ will do what he does regardless.

Nobody from panda wants to reply me on the forums.