Proposal to end he Awar

[flogger]

funny how your proposal was agreed to from our side before you go away, then you go away and your side rejects your proposal that we agreed to and instead continues the gb and trad march farming.

I've long since thought to be one the most reasonable top leaders, not surprising y'all can't play nice while I'm away ;p

[SnirpsneR]

Emeriti never asked Bour to raze to hinder any opponents. jdorje advised bour that he could threaten to raze to get a cf. Bour asked for a cf first and when his messages were ready but not replied to, he then razed and offered all land plus extra back for a cf right from the start. BB refused and he then also offered free gc and even a fake hostile to help BB vs emeriti. This is the #1 province trying to get a cf for himself and now what you do to try and hinder opponents.

Lol

[bombdigie]

Emeriti never asked Bour to raze to hinder any opponents. jdorje advised bour that he could threaten to raze to get a cf. Bour asked for a cf first and when his messages were ready but not replied to, he then razed and offered all land plus extra back for a cf right from the start. BB refused and he then also offered free gc and even a fake hostile to help BB vs emeriti. This is the #1 province trying to get a cf for himself and now what you do to try and hinder opponents.

Bour razed into EOWCF exactly like the logs said he should do it. Coincidence, Right?

Love your spins, why the hell is anyone giving these dogs a CF?

[AquaSeaFoam]

It's not that hard to understand that Emeriti advised bour to try and get himself a cf and he could threaten to raze or actually raze if Bb wouldn't otherwise cf him to get his cf. Even flogger agrees that bour razed to try and get himself a cf and not to try and help Emeriti. Do you guys not feel your official reasons for this are good enough so you need to try and make up false ones?

[Aranfein]

Emeriti never asked Bour to raze to hinder any opponents. jdorje advised bour that he could threaten to raze to get a cf.

Err No ASF, the logs shows he was TOLD to raze into EoWCF if no reply within 3 hours, and he did so..

It's bour that should be razing them

give them at most 3 hours to respond
start killing if they don't answer or try to delay

I dont think there is any point denying this ASF, it was ****play and lame even more so when its tried to be covered up.

That said i still dont think it was okay to dealbreak Emeriti, i would have just waved you into EoWCF if i was BB once your war with pyro was over.

Also Prot, flogger, Panda LS? did BB offer Panda a crown chance if they helped in the awar?

[AquaSeaFoam]

Err No ASF, the logs shows he was TOLD to raze into EoWCF if no reply within 3 hours, and he did so..

I dont think there is any point denying this ASF, it was ****play and lame even more so when its tried to be covered up.

I am not denying anything that happened. Emeriti wanted Bour to get himself a cf as Bour himself also wanted. Emeriti told him that he could threaten to hit into post war if they refused. Cerberus_v666 later asked if he was going to get that cf and said in his opinion to give them 3h to respond then start killing if they don't answer or try to delay. Keep in mind that Bour is a former leader in Emeriti and Cerberus is a core member and not a leader and Bour has never taken commands from Cerb but certainly he can listen to advice.

This is exactly what happened and what I said happened and apologized for long before any logs were posted. The part that some including you seem to be *wrong* about is claiming that Emeriti had him do it to hinder BB. That is simply false. Emeriti wanted bour to get himself a cf and not get farmed by BB. Bour asked for a cf, but his messages were read and not replied to. He then razed for 380 acres and immediately contacted Bb to offer them all razed land back plus extra for a cf. This is simply not what you do to "hinder" a kingdom and you are simply wrong if you think that's why it was done.



jdorje 6:19 PM
if we cf them, bour is dead
and that is bad for us
so if i were bour i'd go get the cf now
with threats of postwar hitting if they refuse

....

cerberusv6.66 7:42 PM
gonna get that cf?

bour 7:42 PM
will try to get it

cerberusv6.66 7:42 PM
give them at most 3 hours to respond
start killing if they don't answer or try to delay
imo

[Crunch]

cool so i guess it would be ok for me to post emorti intel here like a shared hit list like the one cerb used.. this is more convenient and gets more attention and no one needs to remember another address

[Aranfein]

ASF, theres a HUGE difference between could and should .. I think its cool you apologised but why does it have to be with a "but" behind, the fact is it was a ****ty thing to advice and even more ****e for an intelligent individual to act on something he fully understand was wrong, he even says himself it was a bad decision..

If your moral compass says its wrong and you do it because your influenced by friends, you do know the friend is part of it in a court of law, seeing they instigated it, I do think all this has gone overboard etc. it still doesnt change the fact that you still try and talk yourself out of a ****ty decision that you as a kingdom/alliance made and thereby hindering your opponent (which is what it was, no matter how many times you all post no).


TheOne thats some nice science, if they didnt manage to pump how come they got more average science then you? - their core can top feed and is clearly in a better position, if they can control your bank they are looking strong, if they got 6+ days then they can fairly easy grow their own cow or atleast 2 semi cows that will be a threat to yours if yours send out.

[Akkadian/Taylor]

1 of my kingdom mate said that pandas are a full human core (10 human sages with 9 human clerics) and with +40% science effectiveness on sages.. my kingdom mate mentioned that we dont really have that much of a size advantage ASSUMING even we have more bpa.. I was like hmm.. this didnt occur to me.. and decided to take a full sos on their kingdom (excluding 5 provinces which are difficult to get.. and my inactive guys arent

Now I perfectly understand why Panads do not have much gc stock (and are complaining my kingdom has GC stock).. I was puzzled why Pandas have 25 TOG-ers, and could be broke during the times when we took SOT. It didnt occur to me until 24hours ago to take surveys on their top provinces, and I saw 20% schools on them.. and only just a few hours ago.. we took a full sos and this is what we saw. Pandas grew from 60k to 109k acres in awar, we grew from 67k to 118k acres while staying out. And for you to be able to have these levels of sciences right now....

From what I see, you have better sciences currently than my kingdom.. and you have 10 sages compared to 3 sages (w/ +40% science effects). Sure, my kingdom mates have probably ~100bpa stocked on average, but I'm sure you guys have also.

Members of Panda stated they are not able to pump during awar.. and would be at a science and gc disadvantage. lol. I believe it is clear why you have no gc stock, you have been using the opportunity to stack sciences, claiming unwhorable cow acres & unwhorable top core acres, using 14k pool in awar, double provinces from a high median etc.

54hours ago, I proposed to flogger I'm fine with giving 5 days prep time even though I saw all those exploring and all the semi pump the past few days. Flogger said why not 6 days. and I agreed.. It's okay. I decided not to be lame and vulture. If I had seen your level of sciences, I would definitely not do 6 days. Well.. that 6 days prep time I gave was only valid if awar ended between 24-48hrs from when I talked to flogger.

You just went fort 8 hours ago, and removed alot of offensive buidlings across your core. And still it seems I cant serve any notice. It seems like I can never notice till you guys think you have a good shot of winning, and you guys know your alliance will back you if I notice before awar 'ends'.

To Flogger : I appreciate all the hard work you have helped out, and appreciate the time you have spent mediating between both parties. It is unfortunate that perhaps a resolution cannot be resolved between both sides of the alliances, and Pandas-cRAZiEs

Meanwhile you have cows with 800 bpa and 4 wpa raw. 555 mil. Go ahead and post the rest of our Intel compared to yours. Tell everyone our wpa. Yes we got schools on our provs that got safe (so, 5provs maybe? ) only about 24 hours ago? . None on anyone else. Why we don't have gc? Probably because we've been getting opped and our smalls were taking hits constantly and having to train. Stop leaving details out.

By the way is it okay to post Intel like this? I'll gladly post your kingdoms Intel

[flogger]

It's not that hard to understand that Emeriti advised bour to try and get himself a cf and he could threaten to raze or actually raze if Bb wouldn't otherwise cf him to get his cf. Even flogger agrees that bour razed to try and get himself a cf and not to try and help Emeriti. Do you guys not feel your official reasons for this are good enough so you need to try and make up false ones?

Correction: I don't think Emeriti was scared of us (certain members were, but they weren't your war leaders) and I don't think Emeriti wanted bour to hit because it would help emeriti crown. I don't think they were "blocking" for Emeriti (at first). Clearly the period where we just sat there for 3-4 days with no resolution was them effectively blocking us and emeriti made no attempts to stop that until I made a forum post.

I think the entire idea of bour razing into our EoW was crafted from emeriti's leadership and had they been able to do it without being caught dorje and leshrak would have done it themselves. That much is clear with the logs. If emeriti's leadership had the appropriate ethics the province wouldn't have hit us to begin with, which is why this started, because one of them would have simply said "don't raze them"

[bitchup420]

I'm tired of this awar BS. I'm glad cj has a level head.

Pandas needs to drop the charade. Let's call a spade a spade. Pandas is BLATANTLY being fed acres, time, and protection from a fair fight in which they KNOW they would lose. It's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS you are being protected. This has gone beyond a simple wimp kd running from a fight into a sorry sack of teddy bears getting govt funded steroids and genetic enhancements to take over the WoL!

I think it's time someone answers Aranfein...

[TheOne]

Your guy posted for the whole world to see how much gc my kingdom is carrying. and boom. next moment i see a huge plunder into my kingdom.

If you feel it's inappropriate to post your exact bpas, sure let me know. -> I decided to just edit them out. so no worries. I apologize if i posted those exact bpas initially

I have talked to Cheetzy 12hours ago on IRC, and am waiting a response from your side

[22:58:59] <Cheetzy> I never said it wasn't a fair offer
[22:59:08] <cJ> so what do you think of the suggestion of june 1st , yr 6 +6 days?
[22:59:33] <Cheetzy> I'll discuss with abs then come back to you
[22:59:40] <Cheetzy> Or whatever they want to be called
[22:59:43] <cJ> ok

[AquaSeaFoam]

ASF, theres a HUGE difference between could and should .. I think its cool you apologised but why does it have to be with a "but" behind, the fact is it was a ****ty thing to advice and even more ****e for an intelligent individual to act on something he fully understand was wrong, he even says himself it was a bad decision..

If your moral compass says its wrong and you do it because your influenced by friends, you do know the friend is part of it in a court of law, seeing they instigated it, I do think all this has gone overboard etc. it still doesnt change the fact that you still try and talk yourself out of a ****ty decision that you as a kingdom/alliance made and thereby hindering your opponent (which is what it was, no matter how many times you all post no).

I agree with all this and that's what was apologized for and offered beyond full compensation for both by bour and by emeriti.

There is no disagreement with the events that happened, but I will disagree if you are going to try and imply/state false motivation for the events that occurred.

[TheOne]

This is my kingdom's theme song for the next 2 weeks.

[asdfghy]

Anyone notices that there are 2 separate convo going in this thread? One between crazies vs Panda and emeriti vs emeriti haters?