Age 66 potental changes

[Andurilas]

My suggestion re Elf was supposed to compensate for the craziness of giving Human and Dwarf premium defense.

[Bishop]

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...Age-66-Changes

Changes posted.

[tiggis]

Pretty much the proposed changes.

[jmiedema]

Surprised no adjustments were made to War Hero. I guess it will remain a tier 2 personality. Still think that Halfling Leet should have been made 4/5 or 5/4 (little more expensive and NW Value) and give that +1 off spec to War Hero.

Would solve quite a bit.

Good adjustment on Sage. Good adjustment on Elf.

Not really a meaningful adjustment to Avian Leet seeing as they cant be ambushed.. but I guess it is now slightly harder to hit them (?)

I dont think Human will see much play this age, except for the random people who like to look at big offensive numbers. Orc/Undead/Avian are all much better imo, but hey at least it is kind of a toss up between those 3, so it isn't just 1 obvious pick.

Not really many other changes from the Potentials, so /shrug.

[RiffArt]

Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere, but does "+50% Thievery Operation Success (TPA)" mean +50% TPA or +50% success rate for ops. As I understand it, these are not the same thing.
Similarly for "+ 40% Spell Success (WPA)"; +40% success rate and +40% WPA are not equivalent.

[Anatak1989]

Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere, but does "+50% Thievery Operation Success (TPA)" mean +50% TPA or +50% success rate for ops. As I understand it, these are not the same thing.
Similarly for "+ 40% Spell Success (WPA)"; +40% success rate and +40% WPA are not equivalent.

I think I recall someone saying that they are, indeed, the same thing. The argument is that a "thief success" counts as the enemy failing against you (ie, your thieves caused their thieves to fail). Same with mystics.

I have a question about the elves -30% defensive losses. Does that mean they have built in guard stations? Or is that for casualties? I think it sounds like built in GS since the wording is different from the wording on undead offensive casualties. That seems pretty good though.

[RiffArt]

I think I recall someone saying that they are, indeed, the same thing. The argument is that a "thief success" counts as the enemy failing against you (ie, your thieves caused their thieves to fail). Same with mystics.

I have a question about the elves -30% defensive losses. Does that mean they have built in guard stations? Or is that for casualties? I think it sounds like built in GS since the wording is different from the wording on undead offensive casualties. That seems pretty good though.

I mean that +50% TPA would not mean you have +50% success rate on ops. While both are written in the changes, they are not equivalent.

As for -30% def losses it is a return to what Elves had previous age and means casualties not other losses such as land/science/honour.

[Bishop]

I mean that +50% TPA would not mean you have +50% success rate on ops. While both are written in the changes, they are not equivalent.

As for -30% def losses it is a return to what Elves had previous age and means casualties not other losses such as land/science/honour.

They are equivilant.

[Palem]

Can I ask what the espionage page bug that was fixed was?

[agenda43]

I kind of feel that Avian got a slight nerf with ehe 6/2 and an extra 50 cost to their leits.. it was really not needed..

good balances on everything else, I am still sad to not see the +1 off spec on WH tho, i really liked that idea.

[jmiedema]

I think he was referring to the fact that having +50% TPA doesnt automatically mean you will be successful 50% more of the time... there is enemy watchtowers/Clearsight considerations, etc.

but yes it would be equivalent as it relates to overcoming the power of the opponents thieves, which I believe is what you are referring to Bishop

They are equivilant.

[Bishop]

Can I ask what the espionage page bug that was fixed was?

Random resets

[Bishop]

Can I ask what the espionage page bug that was fixed was?

Random resets

[smercjd]

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All those votes for +1 ospec to war hero... Why no change?
Makes me really feel like a waste of space

[noobium]

Avian slight buff, Elf big buff. Both were pretty good already. Dwarf still pretty ****ty.

ospec bonuses need to be racial. i don't like WH the way it is currently, Dragon Immunity is a bonus that shouldn't be in the game period.