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    Quote Originally Posted by Attero View Post
    Is it bad to vote for him just because he isn't afraid to speak his mind? I also like that he is a successful business man and they say america is a big business. At the end of the day it is choosing the lesser of two evils. Scary thing is he has no voting history that we can view to show his true beliefs unlike Hillary, Ted, Lindsay etc. He is very interesting though. I will probably vote for him or Lindsey Graham. Probably won't matter anyway with **** eating congress and all of the political correctness around this *****. I vote for smaller government, higher teacher pay, higher farmer pay, less athlete pay, less tax and more freedom.
    Speaking your mind is a good thing. Especially for a politician. But you have to consider that Adolf Hitler spoke his mind on a lot of things and did it with flair. I am not trying to compare the two. I am saying that the meaning of the spoken words matters a lot. It is great when candidates openly express views on the issues. If the candidates views are plain wrong or scary then voting for them is bad idea.

    I would encourage the inverse. If a candidate does not let us know what (s)he is thinking and refuses to commit then it becomes prudent to assume the worst.

    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
    @hand -

    Using illegals for cheap labor - This absolutely helps the economy and replacing them with legal labor will hurt the economy (without other policy changes). For example, let's say Farmer Joe is currently paying Jose $1/hour. Jose gets deported. Farmer Joe is now forced to hire Ben at $8/hour (or whatever minimum wage is wherever this farm is)...
    Ben will also spend that $8. It has been shown that low wage workers spend paychecks much faster. Often minimum wage workers consume the entire check the same week it is received. High velocity money boosts the economy. Ben is going to make car payments, pay rent, get cable, and maybe take Suzie on a date to fast food place.

    You would expect some inflation. But the effect of past minimum wage increases was much lower than would be expected. The increases to minimum wage were almost entirely absorbed by lost profits. I should probably find the source for that. I have heard it multiple times. But that is for legal workers like your Ben.

    For illegal workers like Jose the wage difference will be exclusively criminal profits pocketed by farmer Joe. The market price for commodities will be set by legal industry. A lot of that will be spent on land purchase. You get inflation from higher land prices. It will be harder for Ben to find work because there are fewer legal farms hiring.
    Last edited by pathetic sheep; 05-10-2015 at 18:57.

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