does every thread have to end in a discussion if the warring or whoring style of play is better? "the bottom is hot" kind of makes it clear that this is not about whoring kingdoms. If any whoring kingdoms find themselves in this nw/acre range, you are doing it wrong ;) as far as warring kingdoms, not all like agreed wars. Personally I wouldn't agree to grow/drop acres just to war someone. I know game mechanics allow it but to me it still feels like cheating. And while diplomacy is important in Utopia, I prefer to limit diplomacy to interactions with kingdoms we are not warring. How often do you read in the news"Country A served notice to Country B and gives them time to build up their war capabilities before strikes begin." or "stay tuned Country A will run strikes on January 1st, Country B will declare war within 2 hours of strikes being delivered"