stealing from The U.

[Jo3MoMMa]

Well they can't raze everyone.

I'm tempted at this time to shout "no taxation without representation."

Shall we server war the top 10 kingdoms vs everyone else?

[Korp]

Have some spiders kuhan.

[yuik]

Having the Ability to even Kill a province OOW instead of actually being able to Kill a Province in WAR is F***ing the stupidest game mechanic ever created.... BISHOP you should be ashamed of yourself to allow bullying in such a Social setting! I am ashamed to be even witnessing this kind of action! F**K all of you who think this is right! If you ban me for this MR Bishop thats fine bro I just hope you can actually sleep at night knowing you are responsible for this mess!

It was never about what was right and wrong. Its poor diplo. End of story.

[darkl1ght]

To everyone saying something along the lines of "You should have robbed them earlier when they had no CFs up"

BB told us they were retalling us for what we did in week 2 or 3? Pyro just said they were retalling us for what we did in year 7 or so

So yeh, dont hit any of these top kds OOP, otherwise they will raze kill you in week 9

BTW, anyone know who this "Crazy enough to raze you" kd is? My hypothesis is that the further away you are from the #1 spot, the bigger the inferiority complex you have, so you have to make sure you raze kill a defenceless province in a ghetto to feel tough..

[silverfox]

You make good points mr. silverfox but im confuse herer

Hyperbolic example of ghetto life as I have no idea what the KDs in question are like, I'd rather farm top KDs for gold to improve my province than not.

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Ghetto players need to stop complaining in here and just go farm top KDs again next age but be much more agressive.

Unless you're going to chart for something, then your province means nothing as it's deleted every 12 weeks anyway. So assuming the top KDs kill you every age at week 9 then what have you realistically lost out on as opposed to it being deleted at week 12?

If KDs are going to raze you then in essence you have won the fight as they are spending the time to deal with you, which will not refund the damage you've already inflicted to them earlier in the age.

Consider the threats vs. the rewards. Youre in an average KD, so the top are already looking at you as targets, however every other KD is also considering you a target rather than hitting top KDs due to you having less retal threat. Now consider your hourly income is 50k but you have the option to steal 4 hours worth of income per op, this can be used to strengthen your ratios in relation to other average KDs around you, meaning you're less likely to be a target.

So you improve your standing on your level and if a SK wants to stop you then they have to forefit some level of growth and open themselves to ops, as a solo province you'd already benefit from that. Now throw in 5-10 active players and you have an extremely strong position and will almost certainly be able to force whatever type of CF you want, there's not been a single good KD I've played in who (with something left to play for in the age) would want to mess with a KD who have gains advantage and are willing to screw with them.

Ghettos need to play to their strengths and learn to hold grudges.

[Persain]

To everyone saying something along the lines of "You should have robbed them earlier when they had no CFs up"

BB told us they were retalling us for what we did in week 2 or 3? Pyro just said they were retalling us for what we did in year 7 or so

No....Its how u respond that matters. Apparently my kd stole 2 million gc YESTERDAY from one of the kds tagged steal=raze. I got a pm "y u steal and not respond to request for cf." I responded back that we'd never been msged by that kd once all age irc or in game, personally i thought we had a cf and will gladly give one if/when asked. I cc'ed the monarch and got a cf up in <1 hour, No hits no fuss.

Sure maybe we'll be razekilled next, maybe they'll grief us in our next war, maybe our best recourse would be to do stuff next age during an early war as "payback". Then again PROBABLY not...if our stealing hurts us its a good lesson to my players to let me know when u do stupid ****, and if we have no real repercussions its an even better lesson to me that being friendly, respectful and responsive to others is the best way to handle these kinds of things.

[citadela01]

What silverfox said.
You getting razed now ? Next age when they start drafting to prepare for conflict mass plunder and rob their ass with impunity, retal any hits with FG's and chances are you will cause them to loose age deciding war.

[darkl1ght]

Hmm thanks for the advice cita and silverfox.. ill be sure to contact you for more advice later..

So far we rob because we have use for the gold.. not out of malice or spite.. and its generally isolated and spread across kds..

Next age maybe we go 22 halflings and rob just for the sake of robbing :)... then dump gold by releasing troops then double speed training

[Zauper]

Cita and SF's suggestions are both horrible and will result on your getting declared on by a kd twice your size and farmed out.

There are top kds whose entire age plan is predicated around baiting farm wars from weaker kingdoms. Emeriti, for example, successfully baited farm wars from significantly weaker kds 3 ages in a row -- CP in the first age, fluffy in the second age, and then that ghetto OOP this age. BB got multiple farm wars this age. etc. Nesta was posting earlier in this thread about how he would be happy to get the button from kds like yours. The reality is that that outcome, frankly, is one of the best outcomes for a top kd at any point in the age.

None of the top kds have any issue NW dropping -- even to 50%- of their NW -- in order to declare a war that will result in them gaining significant land on the top, particularly on their t/ms and calves. And no one will stop them from NW dropping and declaring on you, or protect you from getting razed out if you opt to wave them first.

The other issue, of course, is that you are fundamentally limited in what you can do. The meter prevents you from being too aggressive because you hit a threshold at which your ability to retal gets capped or you give them a farm war while they can still do 2+ full waves on you per day.

[era]

Next age maybe we go 22 halflings and rob just for the sake of robbing :)... then dump gold by releasing troops then double speed training

I lol'ed when i read this. Sounds like a great idea... you should try that and see how i works out for you :)

[protector]

Not everyone is an Extremist These Kingdoms are lead by Extremists They Mimic Terrorists Like ISIS... Not everyone is like this... But the top Kingdoms in this game are... Extreme Egotistical Narcissistic individuals.

Not sure if troll or just plain stupid

[Danzig]

Cita and SF's suggestions are both horrible and will result on your getting declared on by a kd twice your size and farmed out.

There are top kds whose entire age plan is predicated around baiting farm wars from weaker kingdoms. Emeriti, for example, successfully baited farm wars from significantly weaker kds 3 ages in a row -- CP in the first age, fluffy in the second age, and then that ghetto OOP this age. BB got multiple farm wars this age. etc. Nesta was posting earlier in this thread about how he would be happy to get the button from kds like yours. The reality is that that outcome, frankly, is one of the best outcomes for a top kd at any point in the age.

None of the top kds have any issue NW dropping -- even to 50%- of their NW -- in order to declare a war that will result in them gaining significant land on the top, particularly on their t/ms and calves. And no one will stop them from NW dropping and declaring on you, or protect you from getting razed out if you opt to wave them first.

The other issue, of course, is that you are fundamentally limited in what you can do. The meter prevents you from being too aggressive because you hit a threshold at which your ability to retal gets capped or you give them a farm war while they can still do 2+ full waves on you per day.

This just confirms that ghettos have all the power. Hit the kingdom that threatens you back but keep under them in the meter. Then give the button to their biggest competition just for fun. A ghetto can recover from any war in 3-4 days so losing a war is no big deal.

[Korp]

What silverfox said.
You getting razed now ? Next age when they start drafting to prepare for conflict mass plunder and rob their ass with impunity, retal any hits with FG's and chances are you will cause them to loose age deciding war.

That's a great idea then they won't have any other goal than trash the kingdoms that hit them and making more people quit.

[Zapaza]

Good luck next age TOP KD's I for one will raze you from the start of the age no matter the outcome it will at least stop you from being the tops kds again because i am sure others will join me in this... you will be called out early in the age and will just be screwed next age I hope it was worth it for you.....

And you plan on 1. Getting organized enough to do so to multiple KDs (your head is obviously too far up your own ass to do so)
2. Learn the location of all those KDs early on (its not like they all shout HERE I AM, RAZE ME)
3. Not get yourself and your KD completely and utterly ****ed from the start?

There is a strategy to what you want to do, and if you're stupid enough to steal from multiple top KDs and then whine when they get tired of it and deal with you, then you're not smart enough to pull it off.

[citadela01]

Cita and SF's suggestions are both horrible and will result on your getting declared on by a kd twice your size and farmed out.

There are top kds whose entire age plan is predicated around baiting farm wars from weaker kingdoms. Emeriti, for example, successfully baited farm wars from significantly weaker kds 3 ages in a row -- CP in the first age, fluffy in the second age, and then that ghetto OOP this age. BB got multiple farm wars this age. etc. Nesta was posting earlier in this thread about how he would be happy to get the button from kds like yours. The reality is that that outcome, frankly, is one of the best outcomes for a top kd at any point in the age.

None of the top kds have any issue NW dropping -- even to 50%- of their NW -- in order to declare a war that will result in them gaining significant land on the top, particularly on their t/ms and calves. And no one will stop them from NW dropping and declaring on you, or protect you from getting razed out if you opt to wave them first.

The other issue, of course, is that you are fundamentally limited in what you can do. The meter prevents you from being too aggressive because you hit a threshold at which your ability to retal gets capped or you give them a farm war while they can still do 2+ full waves on you per day.

Actually that is only true if they yield button control.
As long as they are willing to get trashed to bits to ensure you dont crown you are the one with limited options.
They would need proper setup/nw spread to ensure they can do the dmg ofc, as well as knowledge of your cf's timing out, but those are all details most of which your direct competition will readily supply to them under the table.

I am not trying to persuade someone to grief someone else, but I will gladly help a fellow utopian with advice on how to fight back against someone griefing them.