And to further prove the theory. Look at dicks war size. It's strange that it probably will never be 100%. Spartants on the other hand are 100%? Hmm which is more honorable?
You are the teachers of the game, the leaders. Please teach us weak minded students not to stand up for ourselves.
#occupy
Last edited by Aces; 16-11-2015 at 21:06.
You're a noob. Stop talking now.Originally Posted by Aces
BLUE your my boy!
I can guarantee I'll press any vaguely reasonable button given, not qq and ain't elite. =)
Of course, I may not press it immediately and I do actually reserve the right to wave people smaller.than me because they have **** I want if I think it's in my best interest.
Others are welcome to do the same. =] it ain't a complex game at my level.
That said we are getting off topic: The topic being, that in my opinion, Divinity are pretty straight up, and I don't see an issue with what they said or how they conducted themselves.
Last edited by makeo; 16-11-2015 at 21:16.
Now resorting to bashing and harassment. Classy.
When someone tries to justify a deal break with no solid information they should just stay out of it and let the people who were in discussions do them. If you have logs that show the discussion, post them. As persain has.
If not leave it to your leaders who had the discussions. Anything you say will not persuade anyone of anything, the way it's going you're just making it worst. You have no information or anything of relevance to add except "now the bullies will gb"
BLUE your my boy!
And according to them force out and make a long standing kd disban because of the hazzy deal in the first place? Alright. Guess I am the noob. Btw it's just a game, text based at that. And you being verbally insulting and trying to control what I said when this thread wasnt even made to discuss a possible deal break is a lousy thing to do. Please refrain from being a jerk and let me post what I want to post especially when this topic isnt relevant to the thread yet mine Is a little bit.. Thanks buddy
Aces
"Game Date May 4 of YR9
Real Date Mon, 9 Nov at 20:05 GMT+00:00
Sender King Dirty Killer the Rogue of Moaning Murderer (Spartans)
Recipient Duke RIP the Sorcerer of Dick Trickle (Divinity)
Subject Re:Hey
Yeap, and not by me. I've been more than reasonable giving you a free CF when you were vulnerable post-EOW CF. Then to shame that trust by jumping us while we had no gc and had to switch like 70-80% of our build to war was just a cowardly action."
So.. spartans, if giving a kd 92% your size the button after they just offered you a fake war is a "cowardly action" because they didn't have gc or war builds in, what do you call breaking an EoA CF, waving a kd 92% your size, in pump build, ect?
This isnt an official diplo talk thread, its not limited to leaders only. If Aces feels bullied by the top bc our war offer got us waved and our retal gets us threatened with GB raze then it aint hurting any one for him to post it.
Really what it comes down to is two kds failed to achieve the ridiculous diplo standards for a legitimate contract, both kds relied on good faith and both kds got waved. Now if dicks wants to move forward and war on even acres (we'd prob even let you throw in some massacres for good measure) and get that "real" war then fine, no wd agreements no tms or ops off limits we just go at each other. you want a couple days to pump, fine. you want a week to pump, fine. we dont really care as long as we get another war before EOA. This is way more then yall gave us after waving us 2x, but the one thing we like more then revenge is war so we will still deal. (even acres with yall getting time to pump is an official offer btw)
or if you want to GB on the flimsy pretense that you can unilaterally decide we agreed to an EOA CF with different conditions then what we offered... go for it. We will go down swinging and have 100x more fun doing it then if we just sat in the top 10 idling till eoa.
there was never an eoa cf, once again the limit on that offer was till the end of 7th. Breaking a blank cf to wave them at their size and in pump build is exactly like what they did to us (except we are still behind them by one wave- they did two full waves and we have only done one so far), that is the whole point.
I'd never go to shake some ones hand and kick them in the nuts instead... unless they did it to me first.
We've talked to many kds/leaders, they all agree, you guys deal broke. You are either delusional, slow, or lying if you really think what you did wasn't a deal break.
Im sorry did the UTO supreme court meet when I wasnt looking and issue an official ruling? or was it you talking with your friends and them deciding they dont like it when we hit you unexpectedly.
Diplo in UTO has two pillars
1) good faith. This is what keeps ppl from double hostile or breaking cf while in negotiations or other such things despite them not being explicitly written into war deals. This is an important part of UTO diplo but is treated by the community as secondary to pillar number two.
2) technical agreements based on conventional contract laws. This means that ppl must adhere to agreements as written and treat the carrying out and/or alterations of those agreements in a similar fashion as real life contracts. IE one party can not unilaterally change a written agreement with out the consent of the other party.
Dicks broke the good faith CF while we negotiated, then they failed to adhere to the technical agreement as written. If this is a popularity contest then sure dicks win. If this is about deal breaking then they are wrong, there was no deal. If we throw out the global convention of contractual law that one party can not alter a deal with out the consent of the other party then UTO diplo is meaningless. Your sacred CF deals really would just be a buddy club where you can apply or break rules as you please.
like I said, you wanna GB go for it. But dont pretend this is a deal break when your trying to take EOA CF under conditions we never offered or agreed to. GB bc you dont like us is ok. Lying about it is just dumb though.
If you want to use loopholes, sure. Otherwise you wouldn't fall over a single tick were nothing happened.
Just as I told Heaven, blank cf getting broken perhaps doesn't deserve an award but its certainly not illegal. Not everyone leaves their ingame CFs intact. Its a mistake on your end.
""loop·hole
ˈlo͞opˌ(h)ōl/Submit
noun
1.
an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules. """
Nothing at all ambiguous about #2 on a 3 point list saying specifically NO LATER THAN THE 7TH. Assuming we all can count to 8 then we all should be able to tell whether or not 8th is later then the 7th.
here is another excerpt of a definition for you: legal contract- "The basic elements of a contract are mutual assent, consideration, capacity, and legality." You see the part in there about mutual assent? that is how **** works in the real world. One party is not allowed to alter the terms of a contract with out mutual assent.
When dicks broke cf and waved us we asked why they would break a cf and wave during negotiations we were told that we didnt specify terms and have to diplo better if we want to avoid getting waved. Well guess what, they aint as good as diplo as they thought. If they had taken the CF by the 7th I guarantee you 100% we would not have touched them all age (we would have waited till next age). But they treated us like assholes AND clearly did not meet one of the very few conditions we gave them for our EOA CF offer so we are free to wave them with out it being a deal break. If other kds want to jump in thats fine, although if they are breaking EOA CFs to do it then that is on them... Us breaking a cf that was accepted after our offer expired is no excuse for others to break valid eoa cfs.
Clearly Divinity was under the impression that they had an EOA CF with you guys. You obviously knew they believed that.
In this case, why not inform them that they are mistaken so that they can renegotiate?
Exploiting loopholes in contracts that go against the spirit of the contract is one of the lowest things you can do, whether it be in Utopia or in real life. Using that sort of behaviour to justify your actions is like saying "I didn't mean to kill him, I just wanted him to never walk again".
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