Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[Goodwitch]

Enforcing mutual deals is a community based code that people have the right to enforce. Most of us who do diplo hold eoacf dealbreak to be one of the most severe. There is also a community code concerning hitting into war and interfering with 1 v 1 fights and against double standards like hitting out of hostile and stealing out of hostile. EOACF break is rarely justified and can only be done under extreme circumstances such as enforcing another deal. People throwing a fit and killing provs off because they knew mechanics and took advantage of them definitely isn't justified.

So if enforcing mutual deals is a community based code, why can't enforcing fair play without bullying be community code as well? Cause it doesn't benefit the high and mighty and only the oh let's say 2000 players that aren't competing for crowns? This is exactly the problem that most of the competing players don't get. You need those 2000 players. But yet you give them no way to enjoy the game. Most don't come to the forum , they just quit.

[DM_Benjamin]

Most ages a thread like this is created regarding FS and I don't know why people are surprised. Their tactic is simple, get war terms agreed and then use full pool to ensure victory.

Surely I am not the only one who sees this

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

Most ages a thread like this is created regarding FS and I don't know why people are surprised. Their tactic is simple, get war terms agreed and then use full pool to ensure victory.

Surely I am not the only one who sees this

theres enough trolling going on already without you benjamin..

[Pale]

Haha love to see fs playing the victim here. That's rich.

Moral of the story: don't be a dick just cause you can

Piss off enough smaller kds with dirty tactics, forced wars, forced eoacf terms and general douchbaggery and eventually something like this is gonna happen. Karma's a ***** n u deserve this ass whoopin.

Since when can't the #2 kd wave the #1 kd if the #1 kd won't fight a same size fight? It's not dirty tactics, it's called a war game. Kill or be killed. Farm or be farmed. If you don't like it go play sims. You small kds have gotten very soft. When I was in the warring tier winning honour crowns, getting waved by the competition was considered normal regardless of size. I guarantee there were other options for SS and others as well but they didn't wanna fight the strong guy, as I stated above. You leave the guy who wants the honour crown no choice but to wave you because, face it, they got goals and they're gonna go for them. They didn't break any of the major gameplay rules: 1 v 1, honouring declared war, etc. Is it a little bit mean/distasteful for them to wave someone that much smaller? Sure. But what else do you expect them to do, abandon their goals because you (SS) are being a bunch of weaklings and won't fight? It's not fair to ask someone to abandon their goals like that. As long as they offered you a decent fight before just waving you, why are you whining? I bet they offered more than once this age. You're all whining because you didn't get what you wanted and now you're throwing a fit. I would consider it to be a totally different story if you guys had warred them already at least once. But the fact that you constantly run just confirms that you know you're weaker and you don't deserve the win because you can't beat the best. Crowning without beating the best is an empty victory anyways. When they're getting ganged up on because they're just better, smarter, and stronger, like they are right now, then they absolutely ARE the victim. Getting your 1 v 1 fight and war violated is totally unacceptable behavior unless they had deal broken or violated those 1 v 1 or war terms already themselves, which they have not. Bullying is not against the rules and we both know war offers were there. It's a war game for gods sake, I expect it to a point. And so should you. I know you guys would whine if everyone going forwards stopped honouring your deals, hit into all of your hostiles and wars with impunity, and in general treated you like a piece of trash. Double standards galore coming from your camp. This community has developed these codes over time and we're not gonna let you break them without messing you up. Fair gameplay doesn't protect you from the stronger people. It protects you from major interference only. Which you yourselves are violating right now without justification. Gangbang over bullying is laughable. Not our problem you're weaker than them. To the strong go the victors. WAR GAME

[Meezeus]

Say no to cyber bullying! Go contribute your thoughts in this thread:
http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...09-Honor-gains

[FS Best KD in the World]

Nothing wrong with what he said. Weather you like it or not we were no1 and no2 honor, we wanted to secure no1.
You knew we are going to wave you, and you tried to find war asap so we couldnt hit you. Personally i think you should have jumped oow 2hs early and fullout wave KD in range, that would keep you safe from us for limited time at least, and maybe you would have gotten a war and honor crown in process.

Alternativly you could have get a deal to not compete to honor and we would leave you alone and you could have had your fun till oea. You wouldnt be first KD to agree to that in exchange for eoacf.

Option that was not realistic was to go oow, w/o cf deal with us and w/o relations with another KD, hoping we would let you walk away while we ourself dont have any meaningful war options and hand you crow in process for free.
Ofc we waved you, you can call us bullies and whatnot, it doesnt change anything.

You had option to actually war us before you warred WSK, we offered you to LD to your size and fight you for no1 spot. You stalled those talks, danced around our offer asking us to LD first before we enter war talks (lol at that part) and eventually fought WSK. There is nothing wrong with your actions, but you cant expect to fly under our radar for month+ and not fight us. You are not entitled to free pass to honor crown just cause you are smaller than us.

This entire situation is stupid, but i dont have have problem with you fighting back ... problem is you have enlisted another KD to aid you, and are attempting to enlist more. You are making fuss here simply as means to justify your actions and gather support for yourself.

Am I surprised ? No, just like you were "victims" of feint's fw few ages back that got your KD deleted, now you are "uninvolved" in Lost Souls hitting into our hostile.

Its redicolous you are part of 2v1 and activly trying to enlist more support for your goals, and still you have audacity to play victim here.
w/e ... FS pays it debts, lets play this out for now

Stop posting bs and trying to back up your actions. SS had already said many times they are not intersted in honor crown, and FS have already secured it. SS was only prepping for an agreed war and not randomly waving ghettos for honor like FS are. SS also messaged FS many times prior to leaving EOWCF but those PMs were ignored on purpose - obviously, because you are going to wave us no matter waht. So this is FS just trying to assert their superiority over us by full waving our honor away, mostly on our tms and in the process destroy any hopes we had of having another fun war before eoa. You didn't just want honor crown, even though you already secured it. No, you wanted to demoralize all opponents and opposition who are even close to you. You also propose these terms for a CF: 1. Never dare come within range of our honor again (85%), regardless if you gain more from legitimate wars. 2. Intra raze your honor if you ever do. 3. Never war kds we are cfed with (pretty much all of the top and those in range of us), which basically leaves SS to stagnate till EOA, while you continue bottomfeed waving kds much smaller than you for honor. So yes, practice what you preach. Enjoy the consequences of your own actions.

[FS Best KD in the World]

Difference was 1K if I remember correctly, dead even.

FS was 114.7k honor, and gaining more every wave from bottomfeeding
SS was 111.6k honor and was prepping for war hence will not be gaining any more

You already have honor crown secured. But wasn't enough for your own egos, needed to smash and bash any opposition, even though SS had no interest in crown.

[Smitty87]

fS had two provs deleted?

[AlphaQUp]

Quote Originally Posted by citadela01 View Post
Difference was 1K if I remember correctly, dead even.
FS was 114.7k honor, and gaining more every wave from bottomfeeding
SS was 111.6k honor and was prepping for war hence will not be gaining any more

You already have honor crown secured. But wasn't enough for your own egos, needed to smash and bash any opposition, even though SS had no interest in crown.

Ya because who ever heard of a kingdom gaining honor in war. This is the silliest comment yet.

[MyNameIsMatija]

FS was 114.7k honor, and gaining more every wave from bottomfeeding
SS was 111.6k honor and was prepping for war hence will not be gaining any more

You already have honor crown secured. But wasn't enough for your own egos, needed to smash and bash any opposition, even though SS had no interest in crown.

Excuse me for my lack of understanding of this game, but wouldn't a 3.1k honor difference constitute something easily passable in your upcoming arranged war?
Please explain this game to me more. I'm new here, it's been only 3 ages that I'm playing so sorry again.

[Goodwitch]

Since when can't the #2 kd wave the #1 kd if the #1 kd won't fight a same size fight? It's not dirty tactics, it's called a war game. Kill or be killed. Farm or be farmed. If you don't like it go play sims. You small kds have gotten very soft. When I was in the warring tier winning honour crowns, getting waved by the competition was considered normal regardless of size. I guarantee there were other options for SS and others as well but they didn't wanna fight the strong guy, as I stated above. You leave the guy who wants the honour crown no choice but to wave you because, face it, they got goals and they're gonna go for them. They didn't break any of the major gameplay rules: 1 v 1, honouring declared war, etc. Is it a little bit mean/distasteful for them to wave someone that much smaller? Sure. But what else do you expect them to do, abandon their goals because you (SS) are being a bunch of weaklings and won't fight? It's not fair to ask someone to abandon their goals like that. As long as they offered you a decent fight before just waving you, why are you whining? I bet they offered more than once this age. You're all whining because you didn't get what you wanted and now you're throwing a fit. I would consider it to be a totally different story if you guys had warred them already at least once. But the fact that you constantly run just confirms that you know you're weaker and you don't deserve the win because you can't beat the best. Crowning without beating the best is an empty victory anyways. When they're getting ganged up on because they're just better, smarter, and stronger, like they are right now, then they absolutely ARE the victim. Getting your 1 v 1 fight and war violated is totally unacceptable behavior unless they had deal broken or violated those 1 v 1 or war terms already themselves, which they have not. Bullying is not against the rules and we both know war offers were there. It's a war game for gods sake, I expect it to a point. And so should you. I know you guys would whine if everyone going forwards stopped honouring your deals, hit into all of your hostiles and wars with impunity, and in general treated you like a piece of trash. Double standards galore coming from your camp. This community has developed these codes over time and we're not gonna let you break them without messing you up. Fair gameplay doesn't protect you from the stronger people. It protects you from major interference only. Which you yourselves are violating right now without justification. Gangbang over bullying is laughable. Not our problem you're weaker than them. To the strong go the victors. WAR GAME

I am not SS and we were not offered a fair fight. We also never ran. We were also not competing for the honor crown, we did have some honor from warring though. We got waved anyway. You obviously get very onesided information fed to you.

FS waved SS right as SS came out of EOWCF. They never intended to actually war SS, they have said that.
SS was also working on a war agreement with Divinity. But it hinged on FS giving a binding cf which they declined. Zauper was trying to mediate.However FS stopped responding to messages from SS(these things are compiled out of different conversations and if I got any of it wrong it was not intentional, please correct me).
The reason I believe that scenerio is because they did the same things to us, ignored all messages for hours even though they were read and monarch was online.

FS has done this to several kingdoms.

[Smitty87]

Excuse me for my lack of understanding of this game, but wouldn't a 3.1k honor difference constitute something easily passable in your upcoming arranged war?
Please explain this game to me more. I'm new here, it's been only 3 ages that I'm playing so sorry again.

Their arranged war was with divinity. It would have been very hard for them to win or gain honor

[Pale]

I don't have any information directly from FS. And if they waved you for honour, because they're after honour crown that's totally out of bounds and worth bangbanging over? Am I missing something?

[MyNameIsMatija]

Their arranged war was with divinity. It would have been very hard for them to win or gain honor

That's very strange, isn't Divinity even too big for FS to handle at the moment, let alone SS?
I can see why FS would question the integrity of this arranged war and the motives behind it, don't you agree?

[StratOcastle]

Agreed nice comment Pale. I don't think SS has done anything to make myself or the majority of utopia sympathetic to their situation. Certainly I, and the majority of honorable players, find kingdoms breaking clearly agreed upon eoa CFs to triple team a single kingdom far dirtier tactics than a kingdom competing for the honor crown using totally legitimate tactics to take the crown. Shame on SS you'll have done nothing here but damage your already poor reputation as whiners. I'd be afraid to tag up next age if I were you.

That's not correct. The diplo environment is unsavory for SS. This is in essence grand standing a position. I'm an honorable player and I'm clearly aware that the deck is stacked against kingdoms outside of what amounts to an alliance. Your alliance.

You have a behavioral test gauntlet. First and foremost the pecking order is clear. We know who's in charge and who answers to whom. This is classic elitism. Because you have a system you deem it as civilized to all, but it's really only civilized to those behind it's gates.

Do you think kingdoms are reacting as bad sports because the are inferior to you in some capacity? Of course you do, based on this commentary. You don't know these players. I do. And I know many of yours as well.

When we speak of honorable players we must also speak of the privilege of our surroundings. Just like being in a civilized environment we have the privilege to pump, to reach larger land mass and expect our enemies to inform us beforehand if they plan to attack us. There are no such privileges below this realm. For this reason, every war you face from a lower nw kingdom is easily in your favor. If you've ever read the nonsense in the Strategy Thread you know that many ghettos are intentionally misguided. This means they must unfold the secrets of the game without the benefit of the players that many of you have occupying the same space.

So you might be rendering an argument about "what alliance?". Excuse me for waiting to drop the other shoe but the "notice" environment is in of itself an alliance. You can offer the fact that you actually fight each other, but the reality is this provides all you need to be in superior position to all who might oppose you. This is precisely what you need to pump almost freely.

Blame yourselves for not being stewards of the game. From my naive perspective it appears some decisions were made on how many of the tops want to exit the game as it's killer. This doesn't make it true, but this is what it appears to be. The elitist rhetoric is thick and I find that offensive. Oh, it's gentile but it is elitist. Many don't understand trophy hunting; the privilege to kill the last of it's kind. I do understand this mentality.

The top is experiencing the resistance of players that want to play. You call their(SS) actions dishonorable and I call yours even more so. You will not agree with me, but these kingdoms didn't decide to take from the top out of random anger. You invaded their territory under the guise of competitive righteousness with all your powers. You speak of competition yet for FS I see 9 kingdoms above their station and holding. It's about the crown? No. Because you guys knew you would hit yourselves out of range until someone grew who fought for those honor points. Stop patting yourselves on the back. My honor is based in me proving it against the odds. The odds are heavily in your favor. This is when the honorable remain silent.


Merry Christmas by the way. I'm sure you're all nice people, and I mean that.