Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[markers]

It would seem that in a game where ages are running longer and competition is getting harder to find, players are much more willing to deal with perceived injustices. Top KDs have always relied on their threat of being larger to play the game how they believe should be played, however few ever want to be stuck in a retal war trading or having to raze kill people while other KDs outgrow them and their major weakness is vs. KDs who just don't care (until they themselves have nothing to play for).

FS have played the game they see fit for the last few ages, showing they're willing to ignore CF offers and powerplay KDs for weeks when it suits them, while also showing they're more than willing to ask for outside help when things aren't going their way. I've not been following this age too much and not read the whole thread but there's comments about FS dealbreaking this age and bottom feeding for honour, so for the 3rd age in a row FS find themselves at the centre of a controversy.

If ED waving FS is enough to have the hostile declared "invalid" after a few hours of no hits/ops (only for FS to start them again after Pyro wave) and it being grounds to ask alliance for aid, then I don't see any reason why FS "picking on" a KD much like ED "picked on" FS isn't grounds for other KDs to engage FS. Utopia has a unique way of people remembering KDs previous actions and judging them in kinda, probably the closest thing to karma we're going to get.

Glad to get involved vs. FS, live by your actions.

I completely agree with this. Few kingdoms get special treatment regardless of their actions. Like fs power play we have seen this age and previous. However if another kd does it then quite possible you'll be dealt with

[Slickdevil]

I wonder if SS and Divinity warred each other, will SS use anon attacks so they won't gain honor, if SS win, what bonus are they going to use?

[Goodwitch]

And FS are still ignoring the db and hitting into hostile that Iampost brought up.

Sitting at the edge of my seat here waiting to hear FS' side of the story which definitely involves how they were treated unfairly because a second kingdom came to help out and interfered in their totally cool hostile. Right after Francis calls it a lie.

C'mon, people want to know :) tell us what really happened.

I'm actually trying to come to terms which what is actually happening here. Difficult to get a clear impartial summary.

Having said that, what is clearly seen is the same old nasty bullies, BB pyro and FS who always seem to band together. And many of us know what their bullying and cheating is about from past ages.

Even THIS age, in my old kd Outsiders, FS clearly dealbroke us. We had a CF deal with them and proceeded to enter an active hostile with another kd and were about to declare (I believe the Force have to check). Then out of the blue we get waved by FS. FS only agreed to pull out after we called in an ally to make a hit or 2 and they realized it was not worth it for them in the bigger scheme of things. It cost us the war and was pretty much the final straw that caused Outsiders to disband.

I have the logs somewhere to prove it.

So push comes to shove, I wont be shedding any tears for FS.

[markers]

I wonder if SS and Divinity warred each other, will SS use anon attacks so they won't gain honor, if SS win, what bonus are they going to use?

Obviously we would anon some hits. But no we're not feint. Nice try bud

[pukusam]

Lost Souls here

No one had to ask us to raze FS. Obviously I was already pointing out before they even waved SS that they should not continue down that path. I also always say, bad things happen to bad people, it's called Karma.
We are not allied with any of the kingdoms hitting FS. We are friends with some, but then we are also friends with some of the people in kingdoms that are razing SS.
Having a different opinion doesn't make me not be someones friend. I do think those kingdoms are making a mistake. Especially after new information about a deal break by FS earlier in the age emerged. And I agree with whiterose, SS did nothing but max the meter, they didn't break any rules.
If you insist on hitting someone as a punishment for something you consider wrong at least punish the ones that committed such acts.
Just because hitting SS is easier and suits your agendas better does not make it right.

i rmbr goodwitch in the BB VM thread. somehow now we ended up on the same page. haha. i kinda miss uto drama. hope more this would happen next age. hahah

[lampost]

And FS are still ignoring the db and hitting into hostile that Iampost brought up.

Sitting at the edge of my seat here waiting to hear FS' side of the story which definitely involves how they were treated unfairly because a second kingdom came to help out and interfered in their totally cool hostile. Right after Francis calls it a lie.

C'mon, people want to know :) tell us what really happened.

I imagine they need time to work out a consistent theme when they try to twist what happened. Or maybe they think its off topic? ;)

[pukusam]

Although fs has done some things wrong last couple of ages, which I also discussed with Francis at length as we didn't agree on certain things... I can't see where they are wrong in this hostile with SS?

I'm not saying they don't deserve some karma from earlier age or age before (not that I would know any details this age), but seems a bit harsh what's going on in regards to breaking cfs etc to "teach" them a lesson...As for BB commenting that this should be left a 1on1 because you say it's a hostile is wrong if what I read earlier that it was not a proper hostile... be course then once again you give your double standard ****, as earlier age you claimed a double hostile was only if both kds was hitting (which according to this wasn't the case early on).

nothing is harsh in uto. :) always expect payback. it's a never ending cycle. if i hand it to you now, i will expect you to retal me sometime in the future and then it repeats itself. it's like getting raped, keeping quiet about it. Then you see the next door girl getting raped by the same rapist and you realise you could actually do something about it.

but truth be told, i have no idea why BB is getting into this. unless they are allied with FS.

[pukusam]

i rmbr last time i made a deal which the opponent KD accepted. adhered to the deal but ppl here said that i dealbroke because the deal was **** and cannot be considered a deal and was only agreed upon because we had a gun to their head, i.e notice from 1 side only, if you guys can still remember. we acknowledged it was a **** deal but if it was agreed upon shouldn't it be honoured?

the last time i waved a KD, enemy refuse to come to CF terms, so we waved again and enemy said that we are immoral and we should offer CF up on a plate after we are done with our first wave so as to be moral and after that come to the forums to flame us. Nothing is certain in uto, just a bunch of opinions here and there and people who can find the tiniest of excuses just to wave you and make it sound legit.

i think land drops really should not be allowed in this game. i think it is 1 huge part of the game which is always overlooked. i hope the devs would come up with something to stop this. i.e deletions. the reason is very simple, no 1 will not want a land drop considering it's a win win situation for both sides. thus the only way to stop is for game mechanics to stop it or for the devs to stop it.

Meep: I don't disagree, FS does a number of things that I find distasteful at times.

That said, the effort to GB FS isn't because of distasteful things they've done (like running less than 25 if they've actually done that), it's because they're 'bullying SS by waving them when SS is out of range'. I don't consider waving a kingdom to be inappropriate (though I do frown on bullying, that is not bullying unless it is accompanied by an unwillingness to do diplo for example), and do consider trying to GB a kingdom for waving you just because you couldn't war them to be unacceptable.

The same way that I consider breaking an EOACF just because you feel like you were pushed into making a deal to be unacceptable.

Ultimately, the GB isn't because of mechanics concerns, the GB is because there are people who believe that this specific act is immoral and worthy of a GB. I would disagree with that stance. There are plenty of other things that could be spun into a justification, but that isn't one. To be frank, it seems from my conversations with Mirana that the concern is over making players quit because they're being hit. Again, I feel like the focus is in the wrong place, though I think that is an appropriate focus. If that is the concern, the focus should be on kingdoms that are still running under 25 provs and baiting ghettos into war -- because that's what is most toxic for new players. Not a random hit, and certainly not a wave on another top 5/10 kingdom.

i think people do it because they have a previous vendetta with FS, not because they find what they are doing to SS fair or not. stop trying to justify the GB on SS. just say that those are FS's friends and man up to it. if they are not even FS's friends then i do not know why they are participating in a revenge from ghettoland. maybe FS should just get destroyed this age to put some of the ghettoland kingdoms at ease. doing all this would only make the ghettoland hate you more and you can probably expect a similar situation in future ages when the situation is favourable.

[Goodwitch]

of course BB and FS are allies. I thought everyone knew that.

So now I hear rumors that we are going to be waved :) That is somewhat better than razing SS...still a bit of a stretch I am thinking considering FS hasn't even had time to deny charges of a db?

But whatever :) do as you must. But don't cry later because you trusted the wrong people.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."
-Dr. Seuss

I care a lot and I sincerely hope things get better.

Most of the server thinks your gangbang is unjustified because it lacks the severity needed to go that far.

that made me laugh. when did you ask the server? seriously please come back down to earth. Maybe the majority of forum dwellers, but only maybe...and every minute there are more and more people that think that FS are getting exactly what they deserve. Just because not everyone is willing to stand up for what they believe to be right, does not mean they don't feel the same way. Even in your boys club there are people telling me they agree but they follow orders of course and I don't blame them. They chose a monarch and they are loyal, which is a great attribute to have.

some cowboy logic for you...when you're leading a herd, turn around ever so often to check they are still behind you ;)

[markers]

i rmbr last time i made a deal which the opponent KD accepted. adhered to the deal but ppl here said that i dealbroke because the deal was **** and cannot be considered a deal and was only agreed upon because we had a gun to their head, i.e notice from 1 side only, if you guys can still remember. we acknowledged it was a **** deal but if it was agreed upon shouldn't it be honoured?

the last time i waved a KD, enemy refuse to come to CF terms, so we waved again and enemy said that we are immoral and we should offer CF up on a plate after we are done with our first wave so as to be moral and after that come to the forums to flame us. Nothing is certain in uto, just a bunch of opinions here and there and people who can find the tiniest of excuses just to wave you and make it sound legit.

I remember that deal on the forums lol although was 1 sided both sides should have had opportunity to make a new deal

[Meezeus]

Breaking news!

The KDs who are razing or have razed into SS so far are: Pandamonium, Crazies, BB, Pyro, WsK. Perhaps behemoths be bored with their dramaless eoa..

KDs razing into FS: Lost Souls, Ruthless, Birdie

[lampost]

Breaking news!

The KDs who are razing or have razed into SS so far are: Pandamonium, Crazies, BB, Pyro, WsK. Perhaps behemoths be bored with their dramaless eoa..

Yup, I was gonna spell it out, to be expected.

I think (may be wrong) that WSK were angry last age as they were promised the honour crown for joining that alliance. Maybe they'll make good on their promise to them this age.

[Paymon]

Breaking news!

The KDs who are razing or have razed into SS so far are: Pandamonium, Crazies, BB, Pyro, WsK. Perhaps behemoths be bored with their dramaless eoa..

KDs razing into FS: Lost Souls, Ruthless, Birdie

I'm actually surprised there are not more kingdom's to be listed.. Tell me news caster will there be more to come?

[Paymon]

Well I just took a peek at the action and appears there are more dead provinces to add to the list.

[AlphaQUp]

The KDs who are razing or have razed into SS so far are: Pandamonium, Crazies, BB, Pyro, WsK. Perhaps behemoths be bored with their dramaless eoa..

KDs razing into FS: Lost Souls, Ruthless, Birdie

You can have the monarchs of ruthless birdie etc post on here as they have that they are taking their actions strictly of their own accord but enough players from SS/ruthless/birdie have made it clear that there was collusion before and after the war with FS commenced. You have your friends raze into an active war to try and influence who crowns and you expected any other result than this? You brought these razes on yourself actions have consequences.