Maybe it would help if FS (since they make the rules right?) gave their definition of a GB.
Maybe it would help if FS (since they make the rules right?) gave their definition of a GB.
See, it's comments like that that are the reason you're getting no where with diplomacy.
Just an observation.
Wth. This thread still ongoing?? I'm already on EOA mode. What's wrong with u people. Nothing better to do?
We shall all strive to be like you instead i guess, cry out in the forum how mean and despicable every utopian are. How they are even worse than 4chan! (which isnt true btw). But I guess rage qutting is better than solving the issue. :)Originally Posted by Palem
We should just find common ground. Agree to disagree but disagree to part. Communication is the answer to the problem. It is hard to watch the game I enjoy so basically implode before my very eyes. What I see is the strong take and the weak give. Only be positioning, Proper setups and diplo can one ensure success and even after all of that nothing is given.
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I like to think with shear activity and good communication your ceiling to become a talented house hold name is very high
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Palem I tried to be respectful. I even tried to be nice. In return I got insults, threats and unfounded accusations. Even my patience has a limit.
But you are right. so let me fix this.
FS please give your definition of a GB.
Oh and Kandy you no love me anymore? Hit me up on what's app. It has been a while brother.
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Your posts make no sense at all.
You say CR could go for tripple crown via razes (ie. using their size advantage) but you think people would gang up against them. If you think it's fine for big KDs to use their size and are pro-FS side then why do you think CR would get grouped up on for doing what you agree with and are supporting other KDs doing? Or are you saying that it's not fine when FS are being razed, but they'd of course go running to BB if CR were doing it in reverse to have their asses saved (like they did vs. ED).
Stealing from top KDs isn't stupid, it's the best way to hurt them. What's stupid is 15 week long ages where huge portions of the most active player base are bored out of their minds and have nothing better to do than piss off a lot of players.
Who exactly got stomped in the first example? All that was proven is how much of a waste of time it is for a KD to try and raze out another smaller one, which is different to multiple KDs razing one.
Give it to friends? Do you have any proof or are you just chatting **** as per usual? I was told about the alliance for next age to deal with excessive bottom feeding, in no way did anything mention GBing anyone this age, being anti-any specific KD, etc. The reality is that FS is hated by many KDs, whether you think it's justified or not is irrelevant, when you reach the point that you piss off enough people who are willing to try and **** your age over then you should realise no-one needs to organise a GB they're just going to happen towards the end of every age when KDs have nothing left to play for. That's exactly what happened here, however punishing the KDs razing FS does nothing and they lose crown, so it's much easier to just accuse SS of asking for help and GB them.
What issue was there to solve? That utopia is utopia and I wasn't having fun? Pretty sure I solved that issue completely lol. Also, I never had any major problems with diplo like they seem to be having. Every time things went to the next level it's because that's what I wanted to do. Whether that was strategically sound or not is a separate issue from not being able to diplo.
Swing and a miss troll attempt.
Last edited by Palem; 26-12-2015 at 19:30. Reason: Gif frustrations
Yea, rage qutting and crying out in the forums is totally solving a issue! You're no better than anyone else in here, if you were you wouldnt cry out here and just quit. And lol "Everything went as planned" never heard that one before...
And what you said is exactly one of the issues. There are several Kingdoms that all have had issues trying to do diplomacy with FS. But instead of trying to change their idea of diplo they just claim every one else is liars and further destroys any chance of successful diplo. I have no doubt that FS deals in a respectful and fair manner with kingdoms bigger than them. But yet these bigger kingdoms take their diplo experience and hold it as true while dismissing every other allegation of disrespectful diplo in the mild cases to Threats and outright denial to do any diplo.
FS demands to be right simply because they are FS. And their Alliance makes it so.
Well let's so step by step...
The reason I'm saying it's fine for CR to use their size advantage to try and triple crown, but that people would gang up on them is because of two basic things:You say CR could go for tripple crown via razes (ie. using their size advantage) but you think people would gang up against them. If you think it's fine for big KDs to use their size and are pro-FS side then why do you think CR would get grouped up on for doing what you agree with and are supporting other KDs doing? Or are you saying that it's not fine when FS are being razed, but they'd of course go running to BB if CR were doing it in reverse to have their asses saved (like they did vs. ED).
1. Other people/leaders are not me. They have their own idea of what's ok and what's not ok and it's generally easy to predict what those lines are.
2. People act in their own best interest. The honor kingdoms will obviously band together and when it's happening with a decent reason behind it, it's only a matter of time until some of the growth kingdoms jump on board because they see an opportunity to crown. They'll never explain that that's the reason they're helping, but that is most assuredly the reason they're helping.
Stealing from top kingdoms isn't always stupid. What is stupid is stealing from a top kingdom that's tagged up as "Rob us Get Razed" (or whatever). Also, the best way to hurt top kingdoms most definitely not stealing from them. They plan ahead for that type of stuff. All stealing from them does is cause a minor inconvenience and mess with some of their TBs because they need some more aid.Stealing from top KDs isn't stupid, it's the best way to hurt them. What's stupid is 15 week long ages where huge portions of the most active player base are bored out of their minds and have nothing better to do than piss off a lot of players.
The kingdoms that got razed while doing absolutely no lasing damage back go stomped. That's as much of a defined "stomping" as they get.Who exactly got stomped in the first example? All that was proven is how much of a waste of time it is for a KD to try and raze out another smaller one, which is different to multiple KDs razing one.
The summary I provided was intended to be a counter to the incredibly ridiculous biased summary that you provided. With all innocent presumptions going to one side, and mud slinging targeted at the other side.Give it to friends? Do you have any proof or are you just chatting **** as per usual? I was told about the alliance for next age to deal with excessive bottom feeding, in no way did anything mention GBing anyone this age, being anti-any specific KD, etc. The reality is that FS is hated by many KDs, whether you think it's justified or not is irrelevant, when you reach the point that you piss off enough people who are willing to try and **** your age over then you should realise no-one needs to organise a GB they're just going to happen towards the end of every age when KDs have nothing left to play for. That's exactly what happened here, however punishing the KDs razing FS does nothing and they lose crown, so it's much easier to just accuse SS of asking for help and GB them.
I don't think either side is totally "clean" (as that's never the case). If FS wants to use their size as leverage, cool. If SS, LS, and whoever want to team up on FS, cool. But don't spin some garbage about the integrity of the game and bullying and unfairness. Say it's because they've been dicks and you want to punish them, but most importantly, don't break any deals in the process because that's when the top kingdoms get involved because breaking deals gets taken seriously around this game, especially if you're smaller and breaking deals with someone's allies.
But that's just me
*shrugs*
It 100% solved the issue. There's absolutely no sense in which I'm still frustrated with utopia. Also, things did go as I planned. Sometimes my plans were stupid and backfired (Polar Bears). The only leader I had any particular trouble doing diplo with was jdorje, which was surprising considering what a stubborn hot-head I can be lol
I was in a kingdom with maybe 5 active players earlier this age. We had no problem getting CF'ed with FS. In all the other ages I've dealt with FS (I was generally smaller and in a worse kingdom) they were always polite and generally reasonable. The only instance that I can even remember FS doing something I found to be "wrong" was last age when they helped GB Emeriti down and even that I don't particularly hold against them.
Palem, in what kingdom do you play? If I may ask :). Just curious, seeing so much strong personality in you ... and as far as I remember you are a girl. That's even more odd.
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