Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[FS Best KD in the World]

You failed to adress my claims, let alone rebuke them.
You claimed you were not offered offered CF after 1 wave, I presented you with offered CF and terms you seemingly agreed to before resorting to GB.

You going on about how we waved you in the first place has no relevance in that argument.
You falling back to same old "we had nothing to do with it" has no relevance to the argument.

You claim innocence, just like you did 2 ages ago.
Personally I gave you benefit of the doubt back than, FS had nothing with you geting deleted, it was Bishop who passed the judgement.

Now we are in similar situation again, this time I dont give you benefit of the doubt.
There has been plenty evidence about your wrongdoings, and part that wasnt made public (and is unknown to me as well) is vouched for by respected neutral parties.
You can put quotation mark on respected part all you like, you will be hard pressed to find more impartial and respected 3rd party. In this community its as good as it gets.

But feel free keep playing dumb. You only strengthen our case.
Now if youll excuse me its nn time for me

If you read carefully I already addressed all your claims but you chose to ignore. We were offered a CF with unrational terms like staying under 85% of FS honor and not able to war anyone you had cfed with which was everyone within our range. Thus we obviously wanted to negotiate between our council and between the leaders of both SS and FS. But FS decides to not wait and wave SS again while CF negotiations are taking place. So is that how you do all your CF deals with weaker kds? Keep pounding them until they beg for you to stop and giving no chance or time to discuss or negotiate?

You are also wrong about the FW thing cause I like most of our members only joined SS or old pharma as you call this age. We had no relations to old pharma or whatever, why should we be help accountable? Now how about you provide some of your concrete evidence as you call instead of saying we organized gb for the 100th time every time you cant seem to win an argument any other way. Like I also said earlier, maybe if you bothered to read up to my reply on your "respected" source, you wouldn't be here repeating yourself.

[Strk9]

SF: Honestly, there wasn't a ton of discussion. I asked the three folks online what they wanted -- Helluva, Tadpole, and Parth. I'd say Tad was probably the main leader last age, but Parth is usually the main guy. Parth wanted revenge on FS (and Iampost -- the hope of everyone on the ED side involved was to fight FS again later in the age, the issue is that both sides wanted guarantees it would be fair, which would be hard considering feelings) for it.

No one (in ED that spoke with me) particularly cared about Pyro having had gained.

I'll be honest and tell you that there wasn't much discussion about the question of FS vs BB giving the honor. I went to them and said 'ED wants FS to give the honor that ED lost to pyro', and flogger said 'Can we give it instead, it would be easier for everyone?' I asked tadpole/helluva (parth was offline at this point), and they said sure that works.

So I would say that ED didn't have their demands met, but also didn't really ask for me (or they themselves) to advocate hard for FS to give the honor.

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As for why we're involved, it's simple:

GBing a kingdom for waving another kingdom outside of their declare range is a terrible precedent for the game. While I'd say Mirana has some valid gripes, there is sufficient evidence that SS and Ruthless coordinated their activities. That evidence has even been posted fairly publicly -- ingame messages from Ruthless' monarch claiming that they're coordinating a GB on FS with SS; Whatsapp channel logs with some of said coordination, etc. Circumstantially, the timing of razes beginning.

That there is additional evidence to the coordinated nature that is not being made publicly available is, frankly, irrelevant. The evidence absent it is quite compelling.

We're not exactly super involved. I think we've made a total of about 16 hits, with the last one being 49 hours ago.

Main leaders was Parth and dubai as it has been for for a long time. Tadpole was with us for half the age at best. Helluva only did some diplo.

FS never wanted war ED on similar acres/NW (we all know they need that advantage to go for a decent KD) First time they stalled. When ED told them that we would walk away and we ceased hits they started to explore and when they where finally 15% bigger in NW they started hitting. That took about 2 weeks for them to get what they wanted. Second time when FS close to autodeclare they claimed No hostile and called pyro for help who waved ED. Poor excuse for a warring KD!

To bad we disbanded now

[StratOcastle]

It's ok. FS need to demonize SS to sell the illusion. That doesn't mean I hate you, FS.

I suspected a single operator in that FW by evidence of behavior. Luckily I was born right, but most people call it paranoia. So all you new SS players should know, the perpetrator already admitted this, publicly. Your leadership is innocent.

If you know the history of the parties involved then you would've figured this out as well.

This is what right brain dominant thinkers are for in Utopia: we ask why(?).

[Aranfein]

FS aka Francis actually came and ask fluffylicious to step in first on the whole ED matter when FS needed help, I told Francis then that fluffy would not engage in doubling someone in a clear hostile on both sides, Francis acknowledged this and told me he was disappointed we wouldn't aid FS to get ED to stop, about 12hrs later I was told Pyro would be waving in (not by Francis), a tick or 2 later Parth pm'd and said Pyro had just waved in.

Just for the record as I can read people are saying FS ran straight to BB.

[umajon911]

FS aka Francis actually came and ask fluffylicious to step in first on the whole ED matter when FS needed help, I told Francis then that fluffy would not engage in doubling someone in a clear hostile on both sides, Francis acknowledged this and told me he was disappointed we wouldn't aid FS to get ED to stop, about 12hrs later I was told Pyro would be waving in (not by Francis), a tick or 2 later Parth pm'd and said Pyro had just waved in.

Just for the record as I can read people are saying FS ran straight to BB.

For the record...we know you can't read ;-)

[Anri]

Such drama, maybe can beat 100+ pages. Not bad.

Edit:
Can we talk about age 54 and age 58 a bit also?

[Aranfein]

Umajon911 my mum read it for me so I could reply, don't be a mean bully :(

[markers]

Such drama, maybe can beat 100+ pages. Not bad.

Edit:
Can we talk about age 54 and age 58 a bit also?

Yes lets talk about age 54+58 - what would you like to share about then?

[markers]

Ermmm ... no ?

After we waved you we offered you CF as long as you dont surpass 85% our honor and dont engage KD's we have eoacf with.
You were also told you can keep your honor until you find and finish your war so you can keep your bonuses since you claimed you dont intend to compete for honor crown and just needed those bonuses to war.
Logic behind terms was that you ARE the KD that tried to farm the honor crown away in FW 2 ages ago, so we wanted to prevent any shenanigans with you farming it to a KD we cant engage due to eoacf.
We even told you we were ok with you warring Divinity in particular (who you claimed you wanted to war) after Francis talked to Persian about it.
Markers actually AGREED to those terms but requested time for monarch to confirm it.

All this was happening BEFORE our 2nd wave on you.

After your side stalled and didnt confirm the deal Francis threahtned to wave you and you told us to proceed with 2nd wave but asked to hit your attackers for alleged landdrop you needed.
Clear case of stalling while you organized GB if you ask me even if I cant prove it.

After our 2nd wave you started retaling and we were both stuck in a retal war.

So yes, we DID offer you cf after one wave, one that adhered to all your requests, to allow you to war one last time before EOA with your honor bonuses w/o actually allowing you to compete with us for honor crown (something you were adamant you were not interested at all)

What? I messaged 5 kds for war between wave 1 and 2 - as i told francis, no one would touch us. I asked francis for war, he declined. I had agreed to terms if francis would admit the truth, he didn't want us to war divinity. He stalled, he declined fair terms, he fabricated the truth to his own needs.

[markers]

Watch out for FS vs SS in Age 67! Hopefully it will be under much fairer circumstances :)

Bahahaha

Ss notices fs for age 67

[markers]

@silverfox
You are not the least of hypocrits on these boards, when FS farmed you 2 ages ago it was dead even fight that erupted after you onesidedly decided agreed upon war deal was void. We smashed you to bits starting from even grounds over it. To present it as blantant farming is BS. It could have and should ended much sooned that it did, but that is as much yours fault as it was ours. Our leaderships were just spitting poison on eachother.

Last age you vultured us when we came out of aliance war and waved us crazy pumped with half your KD ub and half our KD pk'ed in aliance war and restarted. It was a slaughter and we had no chance. We ofered 2 free waves in exchange for CF which is more than enough by anyones standards, you refused and asked for 4, which is unheared of. Its lame as **** to make such insane requests just cause someone stomped you 1v1.

What did you get from it ? You farmed ****ton of honor and land of us which propelled you in standings, and than proceeded to oow farm honor from kd's below you unhindered claiming crown in the process. The disparsity from honor gained from BB and lost to Pyro is nothing, drop in the sea you took from FS. You profited a LOT from entire affair.
You were fine with reparations made, dont backpadle now.
Not to mention whatever was dont to you is NOTHING compared to what was attempted by SS and its allies (including you) this age against FS.

@everyone who feels bullied by FS
Each and every KD we wave has a very reasonable and clean ticket out. Tank 1 wave, get CF in return. It is reasonable, its far, its not bullying.
We pay the price for our CF's, we pay the price when we dont want to fight. Do the same, if you have resources we want, we reserve the right to wave you. We will fight for this right every day of the week, if you retal war us you dont have moral grounds to complain.
If you cant deal with that I suggest you quit the game. Cause that is what Utopia is all about. If size and strength of a KD werent meant to be used as a leverage than extra acres wouldnt provide extra troops and income.

@Goodwitch
You are worst. Not because your ingame actions but because of your twisted morals.
Its incredible how your side does everything you accuse FS off, its incredible how you deny us every right and privilege you ask for yourself and your allies in this affair.

You whine how SS got gb'ed without "process" w/e that implies and you have no issue with the fact it was dont to us first.
We need to excersize some sort of trial or whatnot ... yet its ok for 3 kd's to pull the trigger and GB us.
Even your attempts to form a "taskforce" are nothing but attempt to sieze the power to enforce your own set of morals, something you accuse FS and anyone who stands up to your GB off.

I respect ppl like Feint who do what they do with clear and concise goal, to **** people over and dont hide it. I may not like him, but i respect him.
You on the other hand lack moral fiber for it. You whine, cry and play victim and completely ignore you all pulled the trigger first.

You need to get off that pedestal and look arround just what you got yourself into. If "fairness" you preach means its ok to 3v1 into war someone who "wasnt nice" to you I dont want any of it.

If you ever actually read my past, I have no problems saying I'm ****ing someone over. So when I actually say wtf is happening and reach out the moment it does, publicly and privately, then something isn't right

[AlphaQUp]

For a kingdom that wanted to stick it to FS for being "bullies" you sure did a good job of feeding them not only the honor crown, but also the WW crown strictly through your actions. Sure they would've crowned honor but WW was up for grabs. Fail more.

[markers]

For a kingdom that wanted to stick it to FS for being "bullies" you sure did a good job of feeding them not only the honor crown, but also the WW crown strictly through your actions. Sure they would've crowned honor but WW was up for grabs. Fail more.

Actually we didn't fail at our intended goal

Side note
Ss notices alphaQUp age 67

[Aussie Sunny]

Wah, this age is nearly over, FS and their gang failed to kill all of us. Congratz FS for crowning this age, the crown is given to you and you didnt earn it =) It is like Steve Harvey announced the wrong winner and i am sorry for that.

[AlphaQUp]

Tag up early next age. I double dog dare you.