Meh, after all the years of playing utopia, I never believed anyone was really clean. That said, I find it amazing that people think CJ, who admits to being the other half of this crap, is someone lionized and Nesta is considered scummy. Both of these guys learned/led/grew up in utopia together. They learned all this stuff from each other/with each other.

It is stupidity in itself to believe that CJ is somehow not scummy in all this. We might well tend to believe CJ's version as it is so much a statement against interest. But just as we might therefore believe him, we also have to accept his word that he is a scumbag.

its all very sad.

I know Godly won't see it that way, just as he sees protector as a cheater and munk as clean.... when the whole thing that led to protector's alleged cheating was munk x-logging..

similarly, everything here that CJ cites could not have occurred without CJ himself being a scuzzy.

I recall when the falling out started, CJ posted all this to me and said "I am going to post all this in the forums and let the world know that Nesta is scum." I pointed out that in tearing nesta down, he was tearing himself down as well. CJ laughed and said no one else would see it that way. I guess he is right, most don't. Its still very sad though.

Oh well.