I'm having trouble even imagining a doomsday scenario where Pandas actually tries, and loses 12k in war.
I think flogger just want to stir up some emotions, I have a very hard time seing pandas even lose land unless hesus just go mia for the whole war or something similar. Either pandas win or they wd up or 0 land probably(unless pandas get some serious intrakd problem)
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