Panda vs bb

[topsy's revenge]

Why are people from pandas hating on simians so badly? Simians lasted a long time and from everything i know almost everyone that played there enjoyed playing there. Anyway, good war from pandas. Some odd choices from a BB that normally outplays people in hostiles, but pandas played their part really solidly from the outside looking in.

[Godly]

We started off the hostile with a pretty significant troop advantage, to the point of being kd wide on basically no peasants, pandas left about 3 peasants per acre and weren't nearly as trained. CR started the war about 15k acres ahead, so in order for us to win big enough to compete vs them a week or so later, the standard war where both sides' TMs go untouched and you just trade land, wouldn't do the trick. So I went with the strategy of trying to take down their TM land, and then find a way to farm the core land afterwards.

What I was a bit caught off guard with was I didn't expect pandas to outright give us the button. We kept soldiers around in case they bounced, trained them at the last minute, and we made stables late as well and at our BE's they needed about 2 days to fill the stables, thinking I was going to spend 3 waves going from 4 to 10 to 14 to give button. I didn't expect them to wave and give us button control as we had guys who could break their TMs.

The downside being that since we were topfeeding (2500-2700a attackers on 3200a faeries), they had to leave low defense to break the faeries, and their 3k acre avians were able to 2x, and then after a few rounds 3 and 4x. We made most of our TM's semi attackers and always planned on using them as attackers. Again, the only way to catch CR was to win big, so we had to run close to 25 attackers. In hindsight, we could have won the war, or made it 50/50 had we just traded hits on their avians with our bigger attackers, but vs their attack speed it wouldn't have been a big win or done us any good in the long run vs CR a week later.

Long hostile meter control is annoying, as we had way more offense and could way outhit them, but we never were able to without giving them control of the button, so our hitters had to eat some hits turtled, we never got econ going and pandas got their econ going. The war win bonus and 4 days of them cranking double guilds and decent sci mods made things like greed and FG really tough, so we were never able to GC starve them, so their econ flipped our troop advantage after a few days, so where in war we could only 2x to 2x on the core (whereas we started 3x to 2x)

Pandas made the right moves at the right time, hit the right guys at the right time most all war, and last age it took me 7 days of no sleep to beat em, they're a good kingdom. I didn't have 7 days of no sleep motivation this age given that I joined a few days in. In hindsight I think it would have been possible to just trade hits with their bigger avians and beat em down and we would have been left with the 3 banks and 6 hybrid attackers vs 5 dwarves, but I think our core gets trashed in doing that and the win wouldn't have been big enough to match CR.

Actually at the end, I made a nub mistake, I thought we had made it to day change and I thought when on 150 to 149, once daychange happenned, I had 30 more meter to play with. at 3 minutes before daychange I was mapping out making 20 hits on them. Then prot told me "you know we gotta wait till they hit, right"

I forgot they also went down to 120, so we had no meter left to play with when I wanted one more round to finish off the faes in hostile we did take down (as soon as we declared our med sized dudes suiciding on faes would be chained to where they are now, so we needed hostile to protect them). In theory I was going with trading 1 orc for 1 fae mystic is a good trade.

So when they didn't hit us after the tick I had to come up with a plan pretty quick while at work, it was some pretty bad semi chains I hoped would cause more over pop and give us NW range protection on our med sizes from NW range, but our med sizes had already been beat down hard enough in hostile they got trashed and are the 400a orcs ya see today. So when your open wave is designed to protect your medium and the medium gets immediately trashed, it was pretty clear from hour 5 of the war it was trouble. And speed generally kills, once the speedier kd gets in a good spot, it can turn into some big wins.

Makes sense. I was pretty surprised that you didn't declare with the troop advantage and let the cards play themselves.

Btw I was just giving you a hard time. You're still my favorite person in utopia and I like you more than everyone in my kingdom because all they do is troll me.

Anytime you want to 1v1 bowling I'm down.

[Band of Horses]

I believe the problem in here might be your lack of understanding English. First week of conflict was very mild. The damage done was very soft compared to what would come after.

About Crazies, they waved around and were aggressive stance during that time, best for exploring? Lol, learn the game and stop lying.

Anyway, won't be replying more to this nonsense, I've reach my quota for silly discussions with people who don't want to talk about facts and who are demonstrating a lack of knowledge to analyse the situation in an impartial way.

Have fun in your imaginary reality, keep repeating lies until u believe them, but don't expect others to.

All of this is rich. Lets break down your failure to understand the English language.
Pretty much untouched is not the same as less than the highest point of damage. BB and Emeriti were at war, many greens had already been had. Massive bounce waves both sides causing massive military loses, you should learn the game military loses are often worse than land lost :P

Aggressive stance is not at all bad for exploring lmfao. It's not like exploring in fort, so do you think that you can only explore in normal stance? Lol. They already had the majority of their provs above the whore cap, they were running high guilds even on provs randoming out. If you think that 5-10 provs randoming is their kd waving... Did they give hostile relations? Sure. Was it the whole kd? Not even half.

You aren't using facts you're using ambiguous terms to try to interpret things positively for your kd. So who is the one not being impartial?

I've caught your kd in multiple lies, you included in the last couple pages yet you call me the liar. So rich.

[Meep]

Pandas did have a cf deal with Crazies, who told Pandas that they didn't want to be at the top or were interested in it and they also told us they would stay out.

After the awar conflict started, suddenly Meep kd (monarch prov) starts attacking another kd of their own side, all pretty normal these days for some I guess...

Pandas then decided to wave Meep as we had no deal with them and were limited in targets, seeing they were just bouncing provs and were already hitting out of the conflict. We did a deal with Meep and Meep alone, even after threats and a lot of complaints from CJ, even hinting he would join ABS side.

After sometime (a week I believe), after knowing new info, after talking with a lot of people, after other friendly kds got involved, after days of pressures to accept CFs with all ABS side, we took a stance and joined in.

We spent most hits just bouncing banks and razing, land hits were a minority, so unless people complaining have a different strategic logic, I would consider this an awful way to grow and gain any sort of advantage over CJ.

While one kd was growing freely, waving down any kd with NOONE to threat them at the top, whoring their provs with absurd def in a normal situation, the other was heavily involved in a conflict, getting severely opped and hit by a few kds, mostly from Emeriti.

If this is the best way for the second kd to gain any sort of advantage, I have really been playing this game in a wrong way.

It seems one kd did gain a lot from this situation and that kd was not Pandas.

Absurd to bring this back when the situation was very favourable for one side, not Pandas, still there was a war and relations did improve afterwards.

You know nobody in utopia actually believes that you waved us with no intent to join the awar, right?

Like, you don't actually think we're all that stupid right?

[Shai]

Makes sense. I was pretty surprised that you didn't declare with the troop advantage and let the cards play themselves.

Btw I was just giving you a hard time. You're still my favorite person in utopia and I like you more than everyone in my kingdom because all they do is troll me.

Anytime you want to 1v1 bowling I'm down.

Haha old love never dies

[jwuzi]

Godly plays with a 90% of 250 handicap

[Godly]

Godly plays with a 90% of 250 handicap

That doesn't even make sense. That's a league setup not a personal handicap. You tried to trigger me by lying but you just made yourself look dumb.

[Band of Horses]

Godly when Jwuzi tries to trigger him:

[Loons]

Nerds Inc luv gamez (x:x) has withdrawn from war. Our people rejoice at our victory!

[Godly]

Godly when Jwuzi tries to trigger him:

Pretty disappointed that DiCaprio has such a cheapo vape.

Nerds Inc luv gamez (x:x) has withdrawn from war. Our people rejoice at our victory!

It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

[Anri]

Pretty disappointed that DiCaprio has such a cheapo vape.



It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

lol so mean

but still funny

[Band of Horses]

Pretty disappointed that DiCaprio has such a cheapo vape.



It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

Not like he paid for it. Im sure vapes are just thrown at him along with women's underwear.

lol so mean

but still funny

Agreed, hilarious.

[StratOcastle]

Congratulations Pandamonium.

Keep having fun BeastBlood.

Regards to dizzy sky avian waving.

[vir]

Congratz2pandaz!

[Rizen]

It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

Haaa, oh lawd.