AgreedOriginally Posted by Band of Horses
Agreed
You have the power of my heart bae.
"The Utopian voice of reason" ~Ben (And he's an official moderator)
Not sure how many times you need me to explain it palem, I guess everyone to their own.
as I said previously I trust munk doesn't use the uploaded intel to his advantage, but that doesn't mean I will tempt it.
If you get from that, that I'm not trusting him so be it, I think I've explained my view in a respectful and fair manner, which at no point has called munk a cheater or untrustworthy, I don't know the guy so I rather not test faith, which is my personal view. I like Stinger and think he provides a great service and I'm sure so does Munk and I'm glad they both spend time and effort in developing something to make leading a kd more simple then what it used to be.
Last edited by Aranfein; 23-02-2016 at 01:06.
War is what happens when language fails.
soooo 40 ddd or whatever that wierd currency is get me access to like a plunder list? cause i could defently use some gold currently.....
Just track wars and wait for them to go out of EoWCF. People are generally stacked with money. You can track wars for free.
http://umunk.net/tf/
yeah but i want access to the one not coming oow who stacking gold or like that moment someone sends a ton of gold to someone to donate to a dragon.......
You and me. Forevs
Thats not true.
Besides Palem and Bishop, everyone else seems to understand the basic conflict of interest which occurs when an active player in a top kingdom has broad intel access including potential access to direct competitors intel.
Also, as many have pointed out here, I have never had Stinger ask for a donation or say I'll do X, but I need a donation. I don't think the same can be said for Munk which would seem to indicate something about the integrity and motivation of the two developers. Who is more likely to sell intel...the developer who graciously updates without expectations (stinger) or the developer who requires donations for everything (munk)? I'm not saying munk does sell intel but Palem has been making a very weak argument that somehow because Stinger doesnt play he is more likely to engage in shady behavior. Stinget doesn't have any real incentive to help one kingdon versus any other. Munk does, obviously, and a few players here have indicated that he would for example remove intel of his or kingdom mates provinces from munk targetfinder to reduce the likelihood of their getting hit. So obviously Munk is not above using his access for the benefit of himself or his kingdom.
Palem/Bishop can disregard the above text since it is not something they can understand apparently...also, anyone find it strange for Palem/Bishop to weigh in on this debate with anti-Stinger rhetoric? Maybe just me...didbut realize they were munk fanboys.
No. Just no.
Y'all are too easy
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Munk has never shared information gained by hosting munkbot and it is completely unacceptable for people to be saying otherwise without a shred of evidence or reasoning. Simply saying that he plays the game is an incredibly weak reason for stating lies as if they are thought out. He likes the game: this is hardly a reason for you to slander him.
As per the OP's actual question, I can only say that I use it on my pc, phone, and tablet and cannot imagine playing or leading without the valuable tools that it has. That being said, I suspect that at this point 50% or more of the tools on munkbot(like the sim/prep features) aren't really used by 99% of the userbase, so you can probably enjoy the game well enough using either(although i for one am biased as the whole reason munkbot was made was because of the lack of features, updates, and responsiveness from Stinger...and because cosbybot...never left beta).
Last edited by topsy's revenge; 23-02-2016 at 05:51.
I understand arguments about stealing intel. At the end of they day, I ask people to trust that I won't abuse it. The main argument I've used when confronted about is, is that fact that I've spent way longer on creating the system (1000s of hours since 2012) than I do on "winning" in utopia. So to risk losing the credibility that is so hard to build up, for the sake of some "intel" that can be gained by simple in-game ops would never be worth it -- Why risk all the effort used to build up munkbot for that (besides being a douche)?
I'm personally invested in the community and I would argue I have more to lose, on a personal level, than a "neutral/uninvolved" 3rd party. I do not lead or decide the strategy for my kingdom. If the data I have access to should be used to help us, I would need to share it with other players -- it would be obvious where I had the information from and it wouldn't take long for someone in the kingdom to leak it to the community.
Something else I've told competition KDs is to "as a minimum", is not to include the bot in their council channel -- this would be the most "interesting" information, and would prefer ensuring that I can't be accused of abusing my access. Some kingdoms work without the bot logging their chat, so in those cases the data isn't even there to peak a little.
As to "asking for donations". My motivations to maintain and develop munkbot is two-fold -- on the one hand it's a dear project hobby that I've made because it was fun. I expanded the ability for more users to use it, perform support at inconvenient times / fix downtime, upgraded server resources, buy .sms/.call credit and implemented systems to manage all the users. These things costs time and money -- my kid is 1 year old, I have a lot to do at work and it's hard enough to convince my wife to play utopia -- to "sweeten" the deal for this I've implemented the donation system.
I understand that people may find it obnoxious that I often mention donations -- in the end I wouldn't be able to dedicate the time I have without them -- and I expect if I wasn't vocal about it, more people would simply use it without providing any compensation. People on the internet, myself included, often expect things are free -- that just isn't compatible with my personal life.
(Fun fact, the donations leading up to the birth of my daughter last year, was used to partly fund my wife's "giving-birth" present -- she was happy until she found out she essentially got blackmailed to allow me spending time on utopia :) )
I always feel wrong thinking SG is hot. Now that I am her it feels narcissistic.
They are completely 100% entitled to their opinions and voicing them here. I can see their logic, the scales are pretty close to even but imo and in others like yourself, the scales tip in favor of stinger for morality.
easy like stairs
"The Utopian voice of reason" ~Ben (And he's an official moderator)
Munk bot is under active develop and good overall, But if you become TOP contender better dont risk your data with his bot. Cant comment Stinger bot all i know is he insist to idle in your private irc channel for set bot for you. Its good enough reason for never use his bot. Security must be most important over all other if you play in top.
Utopia is very evil game...like real life. You cant share your bank account with your main contenders and expect everything to be ok for long!
“the mystery of life isn’t a problem to solve, but a reality to experience.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune
“I should've suspected trouble when the coffee failed to arrive.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune
I've used both bots and while most will think that I am biased in my opinion, the honest truth is that munkbot has more features than stinger and thus is the superior bot. You can spin it anyway you want but the truth remains the same. That said, Stingers bot is by no means bad, its a great tool and would suit any kingdom around.
The day munkbot ceases to exist, is the day I stop playing Utopia.
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I'm fairly sure munk did start with his site as a fun/hobby project when he first created it and added stuff such as a column with how much offense to be sending. The whole thing has developed since. The base of munkbot is just a copy of what Stinger created.
Stingers responsiveness seems fine. I haven't had any abnormal issues with getting a response from him. At times it takes longer to get a response, people are just busy. Everyone is from time to time.
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