Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
As to the crux of the argument:

I like that pandas went 4/4 to get there, I like fighting to win it. It seems if they did better diplo they coulda set CR up to be 2 weeks after one of those wins and then take the win (like vs us) and then use it to win age. But they seemed to always have CR a week after whatever war they had so then they could never fight em so always had to push back. Seemed like bad CF management on pandas front, but to be honest that's probably what the most common mistake is by the people more new to the top. It seems like if at any point pandas had their CR Ceasefire end 2 weeks after one of their planned wars that they won, they woulda been able to beat CR. They just always ended 1 week behind instead of 2, giving CR all the leverage.

At same time, CR has a good point too. At any point pandas coulda set it up to fight them but they didn't, so hard to blame CR for being 0/0. To be honest, when we razed down I thought we were just backing out and letting the two of them fight. We let the two of them decide our CF's as part of the deal. I was a bit surprised we ended up having to fight one of the two of em first. I thought the deal was we'd back out and let the two of em fight it out fairly early to decide the winner without our land being a factor.

Side note: Taking 10k+ acres off a 4 person kd is lame IMO. Can see why pandas would be mad. But then Zaup posted something where him and anri agreed not to both CF the weaker sides and just up and wave em instead....so hard to blame CR for up and waving people.


Doesn't change the fact that its rather silly a kd can be 180k acres with 0 wars. Rules need to change back to give the smaller kd some sort of leverage other than just agreeing to give land ever since the 150 auto-war cap gave the bigger kd all the leverage. Probably something like moving the meter cap to 300 or so.
People have posted and argued for ages that "If you have provinces in range for us to gain off them, you're fair game to be hit"

A 4 prov 30k acre KD with 2 provs in the top 20 in the world that does no diplo, doesn't respond to messages, and is just rotating between fort and exploring and then back to fort, is fair game to be hit.

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And I still think the meter thing is not a solution. Ghettos and ghetto players don't want to waste their time fighting at max activity for days with literally nothing to gain. Even with more meter room, it still requires better activity than all but a few warring KDs have to actually hostile well against someone that much bigger than you.