Jesters

[Idibot]

Removed

[zsivhawk]

They had no chance at honor crown anyways.

Well, this was before your, uh, tough war with UN1T ;)

[Wee Sin]

Bishop,
"If it is found that you were deleted in error your account will be restored, along with your province."
Neither of us logged in with each others devices. We use our own accounts and our own devices. I know the mac addresses will show that.

Honestly I never knew ppl can play on different devices within same wifi... I hav multiple devices, so I can play 2 accounts and say my wife plays with me living in same home? Then every player can multi as well just because some couples wanna play together living in the same home. Conclusion this hurts the game more than the handful pretending to not Xlog and claims not helping each other's play even with separate devices. Actions are taken when suspicious acts are performed and reported. Bishop is not so free to check on every single province in Utopia all the time. So consider it a bonus u didn't get deleted way earlier and only after war ended when you were reported a week ago.

[Edinge]

Social game my ass! its 2016 and you cant even play with your partner in a safe way. broken old game indeed.

[Bishop]

Then please make it publicly known if players can signal to the admins that they live togheter and play utopia.
How to prove that no xlogging takes place?
How can they play by not breaking the rules?
Do they have to have diffrent Internet connections on diffrent devices?
Or are people living togheter that want to play togheter not allowed in this game?
Please take time to respond to my questions Bishop, IMHO it would be good for the community if everyone can avoid these types of mistakes in the future.

Already addressed in the games rules.

[pierniczek]

Okay so there can be only 1 player per household, workplace etc per device playing at a single time?

[Frugal Baggins]

Reported a week ago for what weesin? For what????

[Cry0]

"We advise players that wish to play with a housemate etc to use separate computers if possible, or to use a separate user account at the very least. Behaviour that may be legitimate, such as logging in after your housemate, is identical to the behaviour of someone that may be cheating. As such, you should avoid any such actions as deletions as a result of this behaviour will not be reversed. The game will take care of interactions ingame as it automatically blocks same IP interactions - it is up to the players to ensure the security and integrity of their account on their end."

The only log that was provided was
6 Apr, 01:49 using Linux/Chrome from 74.70.134.140 (Clifton Park, New York, 12065, United States)
Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 5.0.2; VK810 4G Build/LRX22G) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/49.0.2623.105 Safari/537.36

Forgive my ignorance, but that appears to be a single event?

It also doesn't appear to have information that would specify the system accessing - it only contains the IP, device type and browser. Those are fairly standard web logs and don't seem to show specifics that could allow you to see more than 2 logins from the same device type.

If my wife and I both have the same model phone or ipad we are cheating? Would love clarification here because it seems like the rule statement should be amended to state that you need your own devices that are different make/model than anyone else's on your IP.

[pierniczek]

Already addressed in the games rules.

Right, i've read it three times and I came to the conclusion I have to ask you for some advice.

We advise players that wish to play with a housemate etc to use separate computers if possible, or to use a separate user account at the very least.

They fuffilled both requests, why was there a problem? From what I know they reported to the game admins that they live togheter and want to play togheter, it was fine for 2 years...

[Bishop]

"We advise players that wish to play with a housemate etc to use separate computers if possible, or to use a separate user account at the very least. Behaviour that may be legitimate, such as logging in after your housemate, is identical to the behaviour of someone that may be cheating. As such, you should avoid any such actions as deletions as a result of this behaviour will not be reversed. The game will take care of interactions ingame as it automatically blocks same IP interactions - it is up to the players to ensure the security and integrity of their account on their end."

The only log that was provided was
6 Apr, 01:49 using Linux/Chrome from 74.70.134.140 (Clifton Park, New York, 12065, United States)
Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 5.0.2; VK810 4G Build/LRX22G) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/49.0.2623.105 Safari/537.36

Forgive my ignorance, but that appears to be a single event?

It also doesn't appear to have information that would specify the system accessing - it only contains the IP, device type and browser. Those are fairly standard web logs and don't seem to show specifics that could allow you to see more than 2 logins from the same device type.

If my wife and I both have the same model phone or ipad we are cheating?

I was asked via support email for the most recent time it happened, which I provided. That "single event" occurred on two accounts.

[pierniczek]

I was asked via support email for the most recent time it happened, which I provided. That "single event" occurred on two accounts.

They both use StingerNet extension (browser addon to auto post ops, intel to the bot)
Im sure you can verify with Stinger that those 2 accounts have 2 diffrent owners.

[Cry0]

I was asked via support email for the most recent time it happened, which I provided. That "single event" occurred on two accounts.

But where does that single event show anything that could let you know they are the same device?

Not trying to argue here - there is an honest question.

Android 5.0.2 is the android version.. VK810 5G is a model of android tablet.

All that log would say is that you had two logins at the same time from the same IP from the same type of device.

Your statement in the rules say separate computers but that log doesn't seem to identify anything unique to the device itself to be able to tell if it is a separate device or two people with the same make/model of device.

[Bishop]

But where does that single event show anything that could let you know they are the same device?

Not trying to argue here - there is an honest question.

Android 5.0.2 is the android version.. VK810 5G is a model of android tablet.

All that log would say is that you had two logins at the same time from the same IP from the same type of device.

Your statement in the rules say separate computers but that log doesn't seem to identify anything unique to the device itself to be able to tell if it is a separate device or two people with the same make/model of device.

Google user agent strings. As I said, it's one part of a log.

[Frugal Baggins]

Bishop, could this be due to the unofficial utopia app? It recently updated and started posting our intel automatically. Could that be the cause of our accounts being flagged?

[handofthrawn]

Might be a unpopular view I guess. How about change the punishment for X logging or give warnings before deletions. Like abandon the province instead of blowing it up. I know pyro had just invited someone to a abandoned province and it got deleted because he was a multi. How is that fair to the kingdom I guess I am saying. These two might be multis and monarch might not even know. I am just saying punishing a entire kingdom for mistakes of a few seems kind of harsh.