The U or "How to fail even ending on 2nd place for Dummies"

[Bart of Sparta]

I wanted tips from the man himself. He might die soon it seems, all that GC going to waste, such a shame :(

Dying in utopia doesn't mean he cannot post on the forums, no worries.

[Zauper]

On the left hand side of the Utopia menu, there is an aid button. I think you can shuffle resources around if one person gets robbed, I think that's how it works.

War room button also exists. And sure enough, you can use it to razekill provinces that annoy you.

Aid is limited by TB. If a province is at -4x TB, and loses 90% of their gc, you think there's enough floating around to aid them into tax?

[bluorr]

@Zauper - scratch what stealth said about the aid. Doesn`t apply to our context.
@Aethelric - stop trying to pin the U`s loss on us ... Really. It`s ... sad.

The top thinks that razing is the way to teach all of the smallies a lesson. Then how come that age after age after age there`s always a small KD razed for stealing? And everybody`s cool with it. Even if the measures are extreme or exaggerated.

[Dean21]

don't steal in someones war prep (no matter ghetto or top) and you won't get razed, simple

[Bart of Sparta]

Bluorrr, there is stealing, and there is what you do. I mean, take our relationship.

1. You steal a lot.
2. We send a message to get a CF = civil solution
3. You decline
4. We get stolen from/plundered again.
5. We send a new message
6. No response
7. We send in a raze-wave.
8. We CF until YR10.
9. Soon YR10 approaches you inform us you will notice us and cancel the CF.

You can approach me in-game to extend said CF, else I cannot promise we will join in to make sure our gold is safe.

[MyNameIsMatija]

bluorr when you are talking to me you are talking to just another player, not a representative of the "the top" or anything like that. I know what it's like to get raze killed, it's not that bad actually, it's a part of the game, nothing is extreme or exaggerated imo, nothing in this game is permanent, it all gets reset at end of age - only thing that matters is what CAN you DO ABOUT IT, as Sheister pointed out: "Might makes right."

[bluorr]

Bluorrr, there is stealing, and there is what you do. I mean, take our relationship.

1. You steal a lot.
2. We send a message to get a CF = civil solution
3. You decline
4. We get stolen from/plundered again.
5. We send a new message
6. No response
7. We send in a raze-wave.
8. We CF until YR10.
9. Soon YR10 approaches you inform us you will notice us and cancel the CF.

You can approach me in-game to extend said CF, else I cannot promise we will join in to make sure our gold is safe.

Yes and if you remember our mail ingame I have told you that we won`t touch your gold if/when the CF is broken. The following details of renewing/continuing the CF can always be fixed, but currently as you can see, our problem is of a different nature. So baby steps, trying to stop a big Kd to kill us, one at a time :D

And from the steps you have mentioned before. Do you have any complaints on how those 8 steps occurred? Because I have none. All got fixed and both sides were content, yes? But this is not the case here. This is not a raze wave and a wake up call. The U razed us and didn`t stop there and apparently they`re not in any mood to stop soon.

[protector]

Finally, I don't deliberately steal into war prep. I also can't read minds. You can connect these two points together, but for those who can't - we can't read your mind that you're prepping to war [insert KD name here]. A simple message goes a long way.

You guys are just greedy, this thread proves that. You are also dumb enough to think stealing from KD B (some big kd) while you're hostile with KD A is fine. If you are hostile to someone, use your energy on them. If you use yours outside, you're fair game to be invaded by a 3rd party.

Sender Lord Sloth the Blessed of Darthvaderum (##:##)
Recipient King moar cookies the Sorcerer of Kookie Monstah (##:##)
Subject Re:Hey

Sorry about that, our target decided to hit our faeries and then run, bubitwo just really waned to send them a dragon as friendly present

[protector]

@Zauper - scratch what stealth said about the aid. Doesn`t apply to our context.
@Aethelric - stop trying to pin the U`s loss on us ... Really. It`s ... sad.

The top thinks that razing is the way to teach all of the smallies a lesson. Then how come that age after age after age there`s always a small KD razed for stealing? And everybody`s cool with it. Even if the measures are extreme or exaggerated.

Thats the risk. Similar to the risk of hitting a smaller kingdom resulting in retals.

[noobium]

Top is boring. Too many CFs!

[Aethelric]

@Aethelric - stop trying to pin the U`s loss on us ... Really. It`s ... sad.

Dude I'm salty af, no secret. But where does it say I pin the loss on you? I agree 100 % with Kremlin. Your stealing was a contributing but not at all deciding factor. With 0 stealing we might have lost to FS too.

What I did do however, was pointing out that you and your buddies most likely could be aware of the upcoming FS v. U fight, even if your claim that you didn't see the messages is true. This making the 'try not to steal into prep' comment false.

What's really sad is that had you not stolen in the first place we would probably have had 0 interaction this age. Meaning that YOU put yourself in this position. Then you come to the forum to complain.

If you want to talk about severity of the punishment vs. the actual crime, please have the decency to not lie about the amount stolen.

[Nightmare_]

Yes and if you remember our mail ingame I have told you that we won`t touch your gold if/when the CF is broken. The following details of renewing/continuing the CF can always be fixed, but currently as you can see, our problem is of a different nature. So baby steps, trying to stop a big Kd to kill us, one at a time :D

And from the steps you have mentioned before. Do you have any complaints on how those 8 steps occurred? Because I have none. All got fixed and both sides were content, yes? But this is not the case here. This is not a raze wave and a wake up call. The U razed us and didn`t stop there and apparently they`re not in any mood to stop soon.

You reap what you sow. Is that so hard to understand?

[Zauper]

@Zauper - scratch what stealth said about the aid. Doesn`t apply to our context.
@Aethelric - stop trying to pin the U`s loss on us ... Really. It`s ... sad.

The top thinks that razing is the way to teach all of the smallies a lesson. Then how come that age after age after age there`s always a small KD razed for stealing? And everybody`s cool with it. Even if the measures are extreme or exaggerated.

How come age after age there's a small kingdom that thinks it's ok to try to take from kingdoms bigger than them, but is upset when called on it?

(p.s. yes, it does apply. All your stuff about 'we spread it out' is bs -- I went back and checked; our provs that got robbed all lost 40-50% of their gc on hand. You aren't doing 1-2 ops, you're doing 10-15 multiple times a day).

[Bart of Sparta]

How come age after age there's a small kingdom that thinks it's ok to try to take from kingdoms bigger than them, but is upset when called on it?

(p.s. yes, it does apply. All your stuff about 'we spread it out' is bs -- I went back and checked; our provs that got robbed all lost 40-50% of their gc on hand. You aren't doing 1-2 ops, you're doing 10-15 multiple times a day).

When Zauper fact-checks, it is at least 10x more likely to be true than when I do.

[bluorr]

How come age after age there's a small kingdom that thinks it's ok to try to take from kingdoms bigger than them, but is upset when called on it?

(p.s. yes, it does apply. All your stuff about 'we spread it out' is bs -- I went back and checked; our provs that got robbed all lost 40-50% of their gc on hand).

:) Ok man. We stole all the gees. From all provinces, all of it. 0 left. The U lost vs FS because of us. Sorry. Our bad.

Can we try to fix the problem now or we`re just wasting time writing here?