omg omg omg panda what?!

[StratOcastle]

Perhaps they intend to learn. You can't learn top warring from war tier. If Jesters fight hard and push enough with what they know they might see things they've not seen before.

Sadly, many kingdoms subject to pulverizing forget what's important and chalk things up to fairytales. You dissect every piece of intel you gather at this time. Should've been recording everything leading up.

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At the same time, if Jesters were willing to take the initiative to attack then they should've also been aware of dictating pace. Even in a losing scenario it's important to strike first where things are soft. If you're not, you start. And don't stick to the same boring strategy that every war kingdom that loses to the best stick to. Change things up and don't micromanage anything but information. Like football you should be at a level where you run no huddle silent count.

Have fun and make use of this war.

[handofthrawn]

As my kingdom found out last age Jesters and Spartans are allies. Jesters clearly are blocking for Spartans.

[Elit]

So when you dealbroke and waved CR before notice was up they had dealbroken you before that?

Our deal terms was CF till yr9 and 72h notice. Notice cant be send in war/post war/hostile.
What did one from CR leaders was giving us notice (2-3 weeks before cf expire) in forum state he don't care if we have hostile or not he will wave moment notice expire. After this forum notice one from his KD mates active bunged us in irc asking for change or deal if we don't want to get waved. Its clear break our deal terms. Around time when our CF was supposed to expire we will be most like in war and chances for b2b war was high. With this pre notice intention was for prevent us b2b war. So they had clear intention for not honor our deal and we did right move to punish arrogance.
Still me CR and person send pre notice are still in good relations mean here is not bad feelings.

[Elit]

Also jdorje didn't make a plan to 2v1 AMA, havoc was the one who was wanting to do what they did.

During your time in AMA you already admitted its was disused in ABS concul and was all Jdorje idea. Goodz in his chat few ages later admitted same. Its not first time when Jdorje cant take loss war and go emo mode...

[CR7]

I agree that honoring deals reduces the IRL impact of this game, since you can plan down-times and structure some order. The top could work without them though, just would have to work differently really, and I'm not sure whether I'd like the results. This is why we as Sparta always honor every deal we make to the letter. Sure, if people threaten us we might look a bit closer at the letters, and if people are nice, decent and on good terms an in-game deal isn't even necessary. The only time problems arise is when two sides have a different interpretation of what a deal is and what can all be included in it.

You've admitted to have ****played on multiple occasions before. The whole (Utopia) world has also seen you don't Always honor your deals either and you aren't afraid to get dirty with multies and spies either.

OT: word on the grapevine is (and this isn't very surprising) that you have a few fingers in the pie in Jesters leadership. Them dealbreaking Panda over bottomfeeding is just as bad (or worse) as you dealbreaking FS for a threat.
How many more kingdoms are you running this age? :P

[JusticeLeague]

You've admitted to have ****played on multiple occasions before. The whole (Utopia) world has also seen you don't Always honor your deals either and you aren't afraid to get dirty with multies and spies either.

OT: word on the grapevine is (and this isn't very surprising) that you have a few fingers in the pie in Jesters leadership. Them dealbreaking Panda over bottomfeeding is just as bad (or worse) as you dealbreaking FS for a threat.
How many more kingdoms are you running this age? :P

"Like"
Too true
Weak minded ones will get easily manipulated like Jesters.

[citadela01]

Sad part is this "favor" to Bart will cost them a lot more than they expected

[Bart of Sparta]

You've admitted to have ****played on multiple occasions before. The whole (Utopia) world has also seen you don't Always honor your deals either and you aren't afraid to get dirty with multies and spies either.

OT: word on the grapevine is (and this isn't very surprising) that you have a few fingers in the pie in Jesters leadership. Them dealbreaking Panda over bottomfeeding is just as bad (or worse) as you dealbreaking FS for a threat.
How many more kingdoms are you running this age? :P

Let's make a few things clear:

1. I've never broken a deal unwarranted. I have "****played" certain KDs who backstabbed me by taking a more literal interpretation of their words than they might've wanted (Div not accepting CF on the date we explicitly agreed upon, FS threatening to break CF if we'd give land to Emeriti). I have had tons of CFs with competitors just based on a wapp or IRC conversation, not even in-game confirmation needed. I have never broken those even if it suited me --> unless they ****played in which case I returned the favour.
2. I've multied once, which was 2 years ago when Sparta was a warring ghetto, I was bored because no one wanted to war us and joined a super-ghetto to teach them the game. Palem remember this as well, as I got both my provs deleted. I have never used a proxy in my life (unless you count Uni-VPN to get articles from Jstor).
3. I intended to war Jesters actually, and WSK can back this up. We agreed to war WSK but with them not having a CF with Pandas I told Crs it wasn't feasible, so we'd war Jesters. Jesters changed their mind, so we re-agreed war with WSK. Then people QQed about WSK having taken 8% of Sanctus' land = clear channeling of land, so I let that war go as well. Now BB gets to war WSK.
4. I'm tired of people complaining about our "****play" while it has clearly been other KDs joining hands to block us three times already this age. My kingdom deserves much better from you guys for the effort they're putting in.

So how about people share with me some logs where I incite Jesters to DB Pandas, I would love to see what you can fabricate.

[protector]

You think Bart's gonna retire? Lol

The odds of Bart retiring are about as high/low as flogger retiring ;p

[Meep]

You've admitted to have ****played on multiple occasions before. The whole (Utopia) world has also seen you don't Always honor your deals either and you aren't afraid to get dirty with multies and spies either.

OT: word on the grapevine is (and this isn't very surprising) that you have a few fingers in the pie in Jesters leadership. Them dealbreaking Panda over bottomfeeding is just as bad (or worse) as you dealbreaking FS for a threat.
How many more kingdoms are you running this age? :P

Lets be clear.

If we have a deal, and the other party tells me plainly and matter of factly that they have every intent of breaking it, the deal is null and void.



What am I supposed to do, sit back and wait for them to dealbreak me?

If someone is threatening a dealbreak as an attempt to make people adhere to terms that weren't even set, their word isn't worth the keyboard they typed it on, and we have no deal.

FS Deserved that wave, they're the ones that broke their deal, and the hypocritical 'fairplay' cowards they were allied with should have dumped them right then and there when someone finally said enough when FS tried to pull their usual bull****.

[Judge]

During your time in AMA you already admitted its was disused in ABS concul and was all Jdorje idea. Goodz in his chat few ages later admitted same. Its not first time when Jdorje cant take loss war and go emo mode...

As far as I know, It was not dorje's idea.

[maccar86]

So how's that war that this thread was created for.

Looks like jesters/Sparta got hit with no incoming at war start and for whatever reason have lost 3 provinces conquesting down the big orc. Dragons exchanged.

Anyone got a paper or something?

[Bart of Sparta]

So how's that war that this thread was created for.

Looks like jesters/Sparta got hit with no incoming at war start and for whatever reason have lost 3 provinces conquesting down the big orc. Dragons exchanged.

Anyone got a paper or something?

Jesters is not Sparta, not linked to Sparta, nothing to do with Sparta. Stop your whining I didn't come into here when a (former?) feyrplay KD blocked us in YR1. You got ZERO proof whatsoever that this is in any way linked to us, so stop it, just STOP it.

[protector]

Lets be clear.

If we have a deal, and the other party tells me plainly and matter of factly that they have every intent of breaking it, the deal is null and void.

Every age a bunch of people threaten to do X and it rarely happens. It's just big talk by some big mouths
I got threatened with "give me eoa cf or we raze you" a few days ago. I told them to start razing, not much later they went to fakewar to avoid getting farmed. (there's a topic on the forum about a 12prov vs 22prov kd)

What am I supposed to do, sit back and wait for them to dealbreak me?

It's better to be dealbroken than to dealbreak.

If someone is threatening a dealbreak as an attempt to make people adhere to terms that weren't even set, their word isn't worth the keyboard they typed it on, and we have no deal.
FS Deserved that wave, they're the ones that broke their deal, and the hypocritical 'fairplay' cowards they were allied with should have dumped them right then and there when someone finally said enough when FS tried to pull their usual bull****.

And how would we be aware of what FS said when Bart doesn't open his mouth about it?

[MyNameIsMatija]

Jesters is not Sparta, not linked to Sparta, nothing to do with Sparta. Stop your whining I didn't come into here when a (former?) feyrplay KD blocked us in YR1. You got ZERO proof whatsoever that this is in any way linked to us, so stop it, just STOP it.

You kept guessing who it was. <3 Bart

I think warring these days doesn't actually block anyone anymore, especially if you win the war, any win is good if in range for the bonus imho. Even losing a war is fine if you slap on some nice banks and can whore back the acres lost on other provs. The science change made it so that you can war forever and not be losing any science pump time, only time lost is wizard pump time but this is repairable with properly set CFs and explore times letting you war your opposition from a comparable position to someone who hasn't warred but ended up on the same size. This is just how I see it and what do I know, I'm no expert on these things.