omg omg omg panda what?!

[Goodwitch]

Or just bottom feed like a dirty top KD and claim that your the best in the game with your 2 ww. lmao. The game is great the top is horrible. I would bet the whore tier drives more players away then the game itself

just like I wouldnt want someone to throw all warring kingdoms in a pot, we do have some real sobs, I wouldn' throw all whoring kingdoms in one pot either. In every tier there are good ones and bad ones.

[s0830887]

I don't love being waved by top KDs either, but seriously the vast majority of the **** that comes our way is from mid-level warring KDs. Saying that 'the top' is the cause of players leaving because of bottom-feeding is just an easy excuse. If you took the current top away, then the current middle would be the future top, and you would then have the exact same issue.

We've eaten 3 'full waves' this age (full waves = 20-30-40 hits, not 5-6. That's not a full wave, and it's not worth complaining about). All of the KDs that waved us were 10-20% bigger than us. But they were well outside the 'top'. Are they part of the problem too? If yes, then 'bottom-feeding' isn't an exclusively 'top' game, and you can stop crying about the 'top' hurting you. If no, then where do you want to draw the line between what is 'bottom-feeding' and what is just 'waving for war'?

As mentioned over and over again, there are ways to deal with this.

a) retal hard. Game mechanics massively favour top-feeding over bottom-feeding. The only reason small KDs don't hit back much is because they're scared. Well, you've already eaten hits, why not show some sack and hit back?

b) Join a good KD. There are loads of quality KDs recruiting - many of which would be considered 'top' KDs.

c) Try to figure out why you are getting bottom-fed, and adjust your strat to deal with it. Example: build offense. If a 'top' player can hit you and you can't/won't retal him, then it's free gains. But if they see you with enough off to retal x2, maybe ambush as well, then they are going to find someone easier, because a single hit for 100 acres for them is not worth you retalling them x2 for 150 acres a pop, and maybe ambushing as well.

The problem isn't the 'top bottomfeeding'. The main issues are: a smaller playerbase means less competition, and people run into the same people repeatedly; small KDs don't give a **** and don't hit back; and people would prefer to run to the forums and complain instead of trying to improve and fight, because complaining about something is far easier than changing it.

My advice: fight back, or water off a duck's back. You choose. I honestly don't really care if I get hit for acres - it's a mini-pump. Just keep your expensive elites out/don't choose Faery.

'The bottom and the top are natural enemies. Like the middle and the top. Or the warring KDs and the top. Or the top and the top. Damn top! They ruined Topland!'

[makeo]

Looking at the greens in Jesters, they and top kds have a choice. No attackers left=really screwed if this continues. Jesters still have their tm/op core largely untouched. I figure this is the final stage. Yield or that goes down. Imo

[umajon911]

I don't love being waved by top KDs either, but seriously the vast majority of the **** that comes our way is from mid-level warring KDs. Saying that 'the top' is the cause of players leaving because of bottom-feeding is just an easy excuse. If you took the current top away, then the current middle would be the future top, and you would then have the exact same issue.

We've eaten 3 'full waves' this age (full waves = 20-30-40 hits, not 5-6. That's not a full wave, and it's not worth complaining about). All of the KDs that waved us were 10-20% bigger than us. But they were well outside the 'top'. Are they part of the problem too? If yes, then 'bottom-feeding' isn't an exclusively 'top' game, and you can stop crying about the 'top' hurting you. If no, then where do you want to draw the line between what is 'bottom-feeding' and what is just 'waving for war'?

As mentioned over and over again, there are ways to deal with this.

a) retal hard. Game mechanics massively favour top-feeding over bottom-feeding. The only reason small KDs don't hit back much is because they're scared. Well, you've already eaten hits, why not show some sack and hit back?

b) Join a good KD. There are loads of quality KDs recruiting - many of which would be considered 'top' KDs.

c) Try to figure out why you are getting bottom-fed, and adjust your strat to deal with it. Example: build offense. If a 'top' player can hit you and you can't/won't retal him, then it's free gains. But if they see you with enough off to retal x2, maybe ambush as well, then they are going to find someone easier, because a single hit for 100 acres for them is not worth you retalling them x2 for 150 acres a pop, and maybe ambushing as well.

The problem isn't the 'top bottomfeeding'. The main issues are: a smaller playerbase means less competition, and people run into the same people repeatedly; small KDs don't give a **** and don't hit back; and people would prefer to run to the forums and complain instead of trying to improve and fight, because complaining about something is far easier than changing it.

My advice: fight back, or water off a duck's back. You choose. I honestly don't really care if I get hit for acres - it's a mini-pump. Just keep your expensive elites out/don't choose Faery.

'The bottom and the top are natural enemies. Like the middle and the top. Or the warring KDs and the top. Or the top and the top. Damn top! They ruined Topland!'

Josh, this is totally true. People are afraid of taking on bigger and more organized kd's, and afraid of the reprocussions. Everyone is in the game to win. If they have a fear of losing, they will have a piss poor time playing the game. And with that being said, they need to remember that it is a game, not RL.

[Shai]

How you define biggest cheater? Im pretty sure ABS=ASF have done what have done Mike. So how one is bigger cheater?

Back in old days was forbidden to trade acc but all top Kds had full 25 traded acc. ABS and few other big alliances had ppl for scrip acc for them and access to proxy/login sites for avoid get deleted and for x-login. From other side rest Kds didn't had access to scripting and used old trade way so they regular get deleted acc. When some one get good enough to fight ABS you = (ABS) mass reported him and they get deleted. After it you call them cheater!

How you dare to call rest ppl cheaters when your alliances was based on cheating for long and you have done it. Only difference in cheating is some Alliances/KDs have done it on professional level and other not. So don't came and call other ppl cheaters when you are same.

I know you still cant comprehend and speak english more then on a 7 year olds level (despite over 10 years of Utopia and online play and speaking it daily) so i will explain it so you understand. Mike is a person, absalom is an alliance, asf is not equal to absalom. Do you have proof asf himself (not some vague character you made up) ran scripts, logginsites, xlogged etc? If not, stfu. Mike have bragged about his cheating many times and said he is probably the biggest cheater in the game talking about his many achievments. Hes even told me that when we played together and hes bragged about it in these forums too. I also have irl friends who played with him so i know. You just assume and bunch dussins of kds in an alliance together, treat it as one person, and try to campare them, which is just plain stupid. Still, i dont expected you to comprehend this even after explaining it to you. I have watched you fall to understand basic logics for 10 years now.

[Anri]

Or just bottom feed like a dirty top KD and claim that your the best in the game with your 2 ww. lmao. The game is great the top is horrible. I would bet the whore tier drives more players away then the game itself

The top is not horrible at all nor is it dirty. The top is very clean compared to what it is like below the top. The game is entirely horrible in the bottom range and it is just cruel in the mid tiers.

[home.alone]

I know you still cant comprehend and speak english more then on a 7 year olds level (despite over 10 years of Utopia and online play and speaking it daily) so i will explain it so you understand. Mike is a person, absalom is an alliance, asf is not equal to absalom. Do you have proof asf himself (not some vague character you made up) ran scripts, logginsites, xlogged etc? If not, stfu. Mike have bragged about his cheating many times and said he is probably the biggest cheater in the game talking about his many achievments. Hes even told me that when we played together and hes bragged about it in these forums too. I also have irl friends who played with him so i know. You just assume and bunch dussins of kds in an alliance together, treat it as one person, and try to campare them, which is just plain stupid. Still, i dont expected you to comprehend this even after explaining it to you. I have watched you fall to understand basic logics for 10 years now.

You should stop wasting time trying to explain to someone who just cries over internet every time he logs in!

Peace out shai!

[haze]

speak english more then on a 7 year olds level ->
Mike have bragged about his cheating many times and said he is probably the biggest cheater in the game talking about his many achievments. Hes even told me that when we played together and hes bragged about it in these forums too. You just assume and bunch dussins of kds in an alliance together, treat it as one person, and try to campare them, which is just plain stupid. Still, i dont expected you to comprehend this even after explaining it to you. I have watched you fall to understand basic logics for 10 years now.

I felt the need to point out some mistakes. Other than that, I got no beef with you .)

[StratOcastle]

Josh, this is totally true. People are afraid of taking on bigger and more organized kd's, and afraid of the reprocussions. Everyone is in the game to win. If they have a fear of losing, they will have a piss poor time playing the game. And with that being said, they need to remember that it is a game, not RL.

Even some of his points are conservative. You can most certainly run a faery that can retal bigger kingdoms and you can even get hit with that army home. The argument being that traditionally certain things are held onto, depending on race/persona. Let those things go and you can retal anyone within a fairly wide range. If you can't they probably couldnt gain much.

[Korp]

I know you still cant comprehend and speak english more then on a 7 year olds level (despite over 10 years of Utopia and online play and speaking it daily) so i will explain it so you understand. Mike is a person, absalom is an alliance, asf is not equal to absalom. Do you have proof asf himself (not some vague character you made up) ran scripts, logginsites, xlogged etc? If not, stfu. Mike have bragged about his cheating many times and said he is probably the biggest cheater in the game talking about his many achievments. Hes even told me that when we played together and hes bragged about it in these forums too. I also have irl friends who played with him so i know. You just assume and bunch dussins of kds in an alliance together, treat it as one person, and try to campare them, which is just plain stupid. Still, i dont expected you to comprehend this even after explaining it to you. I have watched you fall to understand basic logics for 10 years now.

Woah, why so mad? You harass people over their english on the Internet now. You act like a total fanboy when someone is speaking ill of your precious Absalom. Going full retard mode "Do you have proof!!!!!1!!?!?!?!?" While you know and should realize if you arent a naive idiot that Absalom and their kingdoms did cheat and did a lot of ****. Also its hilarious that you complain about other peoples english when you make such fundamental spelling errors and you really should know better.

Its pretty sad though, I know you arent this piece of trash that usually bully.

[Bart of Sparta]

I know you still cant comprehend and speak english more then on a 7 year olds level (despite over 10 years of Utopia and online play and speaking it daily) so i will explain it so you understand. Mike is a person, absalom is an alliance, asf is not equal to absalom. Do you have proof asf himself (not some vague character you made up) ran scripts, logginsites, xlogged etc? If not, stfu. Mike have bragged about his cheating many times and said he is probably the biggest cheater in the game talking about his many achievments. Hes even told me that when we played together and hes bragged about it in these forums too. I also have irl friends who played with him so i know. You just assume and bunch dussins of kds in an alliance together, treat it as one person, and try to campare them, which is just plain stupid. Still, i dont expected you to comprehend this even after explaining it to you. I have watched you fall to understand basic logics for 10 years now.

Not going to say Elit's English is perfect, but when you call him out on it... oh the irony, the irony! At least Elit's English is enjoyable and unique.

Elit is one of the greatest personalities in this game ^^

[Crunch]

I know you still cant comprehend and speak english more then on a 7 year olds level (despite over 10 years of Utopia and online play and speaking it daily) so i will explain it so you understand. Mike is a person, absalom is an alliance, asf is not equal to absalom. Do you have proof asf himself (not some vague character you made up) ran scripts, logginsites, xlogged etc? If not, stfu. Mike have bragged about his cheating many times and said he is probably the biggest cheater in the game talking about his many achievments. Hes even told me that when we played together and hes bragged about it in these forums too. I also have irl friends who played with him so i know. You just assume and bunch dussins of kds in an alliance together, treat it as one person, and try to campare them, which is just plain stupid. Still, i dont expected you to comprehend this even after explaining it to you. I have watched you fall to understand basic logics for 10 years now.

Well, just start with the fact that asf was leader of abs alliance. asf has admitted numerous times to trading. asf has admitted to other forms of cheating as well however i don't keep logs so lets just stick with this for now. Trading was against the rules and a form of cheating. Therefor asf and abs cheated. No need to go any further we have already established they were cheaters from his own words. We know he cheated in other ways as well. Not needed to prove he is a cheater as he is an admitted to cheating. First i was offended about you making fun of someones English on here. After seeing how many grammatical and spelling errors in your post even after you edited it. It's clear you are a hypocrite which just makes you sad and pathetic.

[Bart of Sparta]

Shai's post surely made an impact. Quotes 5 times!

[Elit]

Elit, why do you keep rehashing this? No one is interested in your off topic accusations, but I feel the need to correct false attacks so again I will respond.

Pure blank statement. How you know if ppl are interested from my post or not. Set vote pool if you want to be precise! So far if you feel like reply to my question its show i ask important matters for you. Look over topic so many ppl feel same way and reply. Its how we made it 45 pages and its clear show every one is interested. Welcome to my party!

Mikes cheating was always on a different level from most kingdoms simple trading and that is something he is proud of including on the two occasions he self deleted his entire kingdoms and posted cheating confessionals in the forum.

Again blank statement. How you compare ABS and Mike cheating for judge he was bigger cheater? I know he brag a lot for his cheating ability but i hear its all he know. Can you prove he himself scripted provinces....and not lets forget ABS had his scripter too. Can you compare Till ability for cheat. How you know he was in Sanctuary and he barged to me many times about his ability to script and i know how he deleted few KDs. Competition is very close i think....

Dont take me wrong. Im not say only ABS cheated. I say all in past cheated because trade or scrip its both break game rules. Just different level on cheat. Still its hard to make ranking on cheaters and give Mike first place. Its not fair to rest cheaters :P

I know you still cant comprehend and speak english more then on a 7 year olds level (despite over 10 years of Utopia and online play and speaking it daily) so i will explain it so you understand. Mike is a person, absalom is an alliance, asf is not equal to absalom. Do you have proof asf himself (not some vague character you made up) ran scripts, logginsites, xlogged etc? If not, stfu. Mike have bragged about his cheating many times and said he is probably the biggest cheater in the game talking about his many achievments. Hes even told me that when we played together and hes bragged about it in these forums too. I also have irl friends who played with him so i know. You just assume and bunch dussins of kds in an alliance together, treat it as one person, and try to campare them, which is just plain stupid. Still, i dont expected you to comprehend this even after explaining it to you. I have watched you fall to understand basic logics for 10 years now.

I know my English is bad but its still good enough to sum all what you write: You calling me stupid!
Again like ASF you made blank statement Mike is bigger cheater in game. Can you give fact and compare him with other before we agree he was bigger one.

Shai's post surely made an impact. Quotes 5 times!

Count it 6 :)

[Band of Horses]

Not going to say Elit's English is perfect, but when you call him out on it... oh the irony, the irony! At least Elit's English is enjoyable and unique.

Elit is one of the greatest personalities in this game ^^

Woah, why so mad? You harass people over their english on the Internet now. You act like a total fanboy when someone is speaking ill of your precious Absalom. Going full retard mode "Do you have proof!!!!!1!!?!?!?!?" While you know and should realize if you arent a naive idiot that Absalom and their kingdoms did cheat and did a lot of ****. Also its hilarious that you complain about other peoples english when you make such fundamental spelling errors and you really should know better.

Its pretty sad though, I know you arent this piece of trash that usually bully.

I felt the need to point out some mistakes. Other than that, I got no beef with you .)

I agree with these.
Wasn't a smart post Shai