abducts are fine

[Azureflames]

i did 2 abducts in war, 2 different targets, 1 target had 34 scientists the other had 31, still got 0. and they were 98% of my size and 108% of my size.

Maybe the 20% GBP + GS

[Goodwitch]

orrr it is totally random and the devs are sitting at their screens laughing at us trying to figure out the formulas :P

[Madchess]

only failed 2 out of 5 and one was on a much smaller kingdom the other got 26 scientists. If the gut feeling tells you 29 scientists on a 70% nw kingdom won't be a good target it most likely won't yeld any gains, if your gut feeling tells you this is a prime target there is something wrong with your gut feeling and you have spent way to much time bottomfeeding. Hoping by targetting orcs and other attackers to prove universities are fine too, but so far has not been abducted back.

By the way anyone who got a positive outcome abducting from fortified so far? if so how many scientists did the target have?

[gpimento]

Not me... my kd went into fortified and i took nothing all those days, now we are at normal again, and even attacking people near same NW and putting +4 hours I still abduct nothing (the target had 33 scientists)
So the argument of "it is too early in the age" was BS, in fact the abduct is just random extremelly low chance.

Old sciences was way better... at least they worked.

[Bishop]

Not me... my kd went into fortified and i took nothing all those days, now we are at normal again, and even attacking people near same NW and putting +4 hours I still abduct nothing (the target had 33 scientists)
So the argument of "it is too early in the age" was BS, in fact the abduct is just random extremelly low chance.

Old sciences was way better... at least they worked.

Check buildings, kdnw or personality. You can easily gain off someone with 33 scientists.

[Madchess]

I agree with Bishop, I've done 11 abducts so far with 7 returns, returns on a 27 scientist guy (probably luck) failed on a 26 scientist guy most likely due to randomness or to few scientists. Failed on a 29 scientist guy due to target kd beeing 1 million nw smaller, sucsess on 31, 31, 32, 33, 33 and 36 scientist people if I remember correctly, atleast none was below 30 except for the very first. Failed on a 35 scientist guy due to fortified, failed on a 45 scientist guy due to GB protection.

If it was not working or if it was to random I would have expected to see fails where I could not explain the outcome, I have explanations for every one of my faliures, some was even intentionally to test if I would get returns, if it is not working for you then you must be targetting the wrong people.

A fun side fact is only my first two attemps was done on t/m's which could not retal, that means I hit 9 people who could, some even in slightly bigger kingdoms, most could retal twice if not 3x and no one gave it a go, of course I got plenty of universities and guard stations because I anticipated retals could happen, but so far no one wanted to try out their luck.

[Madchess]

I've never done a lot of learns before, this new system is wonderfull and great fun.

[gpimento]

Check buildings, kdnw or personality. You can easily gain off someone with 33 scientists.

Checked here, attacked a tactician, 96% NW dif, 91%kd diff no universities and 32 scientists... Still no scientists abducted.
Your idea of easily gain is a little twarted... maybe like a 80yo lady can easily beat mike tyson on a boxing match.

[Madchess]

went up against a cleric today, 103% nw and arround 95% kd nw, 38 scientists and confirmed 21% protection from universities, still it yielded my 9th return so far.

[Bishop]

Checked here, attacked a tactician, 96% NW dif, 91%kd diff no universities and 32 scientists... Still no scientists abducted.
Your idea of easily gain is a little twarted... maybe like a 80yo lady can easily beat mike tyson on a boxing match.

You are aware I know the gain formula, right? You are missing something. GBP or gs?

[Madchess]

I just confirmed Universities is a powerfull building had 46 got dubbeled for nothing, opponent had 32 and lost 1 scientist on each of my return hits, if anything the abduct might be overpowered at this point.

Bishop are you saying gs helps too? my kd fellors told me it did not while I assumed it did.

[CannaWhoopazz]

Abducts on chain-targets in war are ineffective. I tried to save some of the scientists on our chain targets before they died and I didn't get anything. Target was like 12% my nw though...


Also yes gs work in protecting resources, so that includes scientists.

[hav0k]

Hit an Avian/Cleric, 90% prov NW, 108% kd NW, 29 scientists, both KDs in Normal stance.

No universities, but 12.5% GS, which was "14.19% lower resource losses when attacked" according to his Survey. Doesn't seem like a whole lot of protection.

I abducted exactly 0 scientists.

If withholding the exact gains formula is on purpose, could we at least get a little bit of a hint beyond "a random number?"

[Bishop]

Hit an Avian/Cleric, 90% prov NW, 108% kd NW, 29 scientists, both KDs in Normal stance.

No universities, but 12.5% GS, which was "14.19% lower resource losses when attacked" according to his Survey. Doesn't seem like a whole lot of protection.

I abducted exactly 0 scientists.

If withholding the exact gains formula is on purpose, could we at least get a little bit of a hint beyond "a random number?"

When did I say it was a random number?

[hav0k]

Fair enough - I misread the description where it says, "Learns attacks are now replaced with Abduct attacks, which capture a number of random Scientists from your opponent" to mean "a random number." I see the distinction now.

I would think a baseline, like "abducting from people with <[x number of] scientists isn't worth your time," would be helpful.