Spartans Vs Nonpandas

[MyNameIsMatija]

Is it really that bad? I figured you're still fine if you keep your land and shift it around like that.

[Zauper]

Is it really that bad? I figured you're still fine if you keep your land and shift it around like that.

Like so many things, it depends. If you effectively add land over the whore cap, and don't net-lose acres, well...you've lost a good amount of time, which sets you back, but if you have deals to get back into it, it may work out ok especially since you don't need to worry about science.

Cow choices are tricky this age. The issue is that usually you want a cow to be capable of holding land. While avian (and orc/undead) are great at gaining land, they don't really have many advantages when it comes to holding it, and none of them have real econ advantages. Avian has attack speed, which is good for those turtle fights, it they can't turtle effectively, and BR which is good oop.

Dwarf/human have the econ potential, but human's miiltary is worse. Dwarves military isn't great either, and their NW efficiency is a minus for them (a -2 ppa orc on 7k is in nw range to hit a -4 ppa dwarf on 10k iirc). Human has the -15% wpa, which really hurts in cow fights where 1-way MS can often decide them. Dwarves build speed and build cost advantages are serious when you get big -- in a cow fight in the past we've wound up with both sides on 30%+ unbuilt because there's no gc to get it built.

I'm not sure heretic is the right choice either -- if I was going to run a heretic cow, I'd probably look elf first, because they're the best turtles and can make the most use of the WPA advantage + some use of the TPA offensively. Tact is a common choice for CS, but you're right that rogues in particular aren't strong this age, which makes WTs better (and dwarf already has CS). Cleric could be good if you were setting up to do bouncewaves and expceting them back. Warrior could be good for the military strength. Shrug, I didn't think about it too much since we aren't playing.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Of course if your CFs are poorly set up you will just get vultured oow that's a given.
Yeah we have clerics and warriors, I think the LS decided to explore the clerics the most, figured against bouncing etc.
I don't trust Heretic too much because I don't trust science bonuses with these whacky science numbers...
Elf can bounced this age, think they've lost defensive losses bonus.

[octobrev]

Heretic was really just for the 100 starting wizards .-.

The only reason kingdoms are running these UD/AV/OR banks is because flogger said it was a good idea and there wasn't anyone around who was willing to tell him he was wrong. Then it became a trend. The risk of core hits from static def is a ridiculous thing to choose to expose yourself to. You can't just take his ideas straight to the bank; they need to be filtered.

[jwuzi]

Heretic was really just for the 100 starting wizards .-.

The only reason kingdoms are running these UD/AV/OR banks is because flogger said it was a good idea and there wasn't anyone around who was willing to tell him he was wrong. Then it became a trend. The risk of core hits from static def is a ridiculous thing to choose to expose yourself to. You can't just take his ideas straight to the bank; they need to be filtered.

Mystic cows... win the cow ms battle. You got racial CS from dwarf not like you need to do offensive thievery
Double guilds and 200?400 wiz also mean its easier(safer?) to put up cows and not get fb'd in oop fights

[octobrev]

Any of hu/elf/fae/dorf he/my would had been fine! Spartans has become an engine of compromise with absence of Bartholomew. :(

[MyNameIsMatija]

What do you mean? What sort of compromise?

[octobrev]

Compromised decisions! Without the nazi around to just do what he wants to do, everyones' wants just kind of get frankensteined together. The resulting monster is exactly what no one person wanted.

"Beautiful [kingdoms] are more than scientific. They are true organisms, spiritually conceived; works of art, [making the best decisions] by inspiration rather than the idiosyncrasies of mere taste or any averaging by the committee mind." -Frank L. Wright

[MyNameIsMatija]

Are you not there to reign them in octo?

[Bart of Sparta]

What do you mean? What sort of compromise?

I generally decide stuff based on heavenly revelation and sudden insights. I generally listened to advice then came up with how we were gonna do it (end of discussion). Since I cannot be as active as I used to be I had to outsource decision-making + too tired to continuously discuss stuff, so we settle for some compromise. Once I got a job (and married), I should have more time and mental energy to allocate to Sparta again!

[MyNameIsMatija]

Hmmm, I hope you bounce back quickly!

[octobrev]

I'm no leader. Just a humble soothsayer.

[Anri]

I generally decide stuff based on heavenly revelation and sudden insights. I generally listened to advice then came up with how we were gonna do it (end of discussion). Since I cannot be as active as I used to be I had to outsource decision-making + too tired to continuously discuss stuff, so we settle for some compromise. Once I got a job (and married), I should have more time and mental energy to allocate to Sparta again!

What makes you think you have more time for utopia when you got a job and get married?

[astron]

What makes you think you have more time for utopia when you got a job and get married?

based on heavenly revelation and sudden insights.

His heavenly revelations even pre-answered your question before you asked them

[Bart of Sparta]

What makes you think you have more time for utopia when you got a job and get married?

Because prepping for marriage is more consuming than having someone do your cleaning and laundry!
Because I am hopeful I'll be able to do uto at my job!