A request to the Admins. Protect interests of larger KDs.

[AnonymousBoy]

To all those who are turning this scenario into a BOTTOM FEEDING thing in defense of someone HITTING INTO A WAR, I say this.
You all are against bottom feeding. So please remove the concept of hitting into province NW range. Make the attacks dependent on KD networth. If I can hit any guy within 85-120% of me, I can hit a KD small or large. Same goes for a smaller KD. And this wont be called Bottom feeding or Top Pesting.

You say hitting into a war is something frowned upon, but is okay in this case coz we are the bigger KD. I also know no one can help it as a human mind is hardwired to go for the underdogs. Since we are larger and they are small, its okay, despite the fact that we made the umpteenth attempt to solve this thing. So, hitting into wars is fine as long as you are a smaller KD.

Someone said its fine as long as its not a 2vs1 thing. If nothing is said in rules about anything, why the hell is that unfair? I know, this happened with us in this case, but I still say, if anything thats not in rules is fair, then this is okay.

Also, deal breaking is fairplay then. Why then the whole debate about how unfair things were for KD X when Y deal broke on their CF. Hell, I can break a deal amidst someone else's WAR and attach them if I have a beef against them.


But all this is frowned upon, because sometimes there are rules which not need be stated to be followed, just to make the game more enjoyable for all. Frankly, had I been in that guy's spot, I may have retaliated the same way, but ended up accepting the proposal when I get things evened up, coz obviously I do not have an ego bloated enough to spoil 3 months of gameplay just for revenge. He did it, we tried reconciliation, even to the extent of stopping hits while they continued Spell cover and ops on us (and still wont accept CF). But when things cross a threshold, I guess action needs to be taken.

Thank you all for your insight. I see the game better now.

[octobrev]

I'm a professional bottomfeeder certified by the Utopian Industry.

[octobrev]

The "rules" and lawyering you see among the top kingdoms doesn't really extend to the lower ranking kingdoms. It's effectively the wild west down there. Unless you are networked with other kingdoms you don't functionally have the ability to police anything. On the flip side, neither do the kingdoms you are targeting so you can be quite vicious. Just watch out for the handful that -are- affiliated with top kingdoms.

[Bishop]

I'd CF them for sure even if they wanted some land. The only person to blame is the person who initiated the conflict with their poor hit.

Exchanging hits with a ghetto is effectively the same as laying down on your stomach and fighting with the dirt. There's nothing to gain and it makes you look crazy.

Make your kingdom take this test and they should get better:
Target Finding Certification

This is outdated, update your nw manipulation questions.

[octobrev]

Razing buildings remains useful! You lose nw from the peasant reduction too. Can always intra kidnap/fb I suppose but when it comes down to it you really don't need most of those buildings for whoring anyway. A few tgs, stabs, maybe a splash of forts for the sake of dpnw efficiency if defense is even necessary. Done.

[Bishop]

You aren't taking acres off a prov half your size any more octo. It's this lack of attention to detail that will cause tears.

Op, retalling the retal was silly if you are growing. You invited conflict, should have left it at the retal.

[octobrev]

Can't or wont?

[MyNameIsMatija]

[Slayerviper]

Overall just sound like bad diplo and people who get too upset over some hits... If your giving ops might as well do full waves. If CF negotiation seemed unfair for an EoA then try to work some other angle and if they are being that persistent of EoA or bust just offer it (they proved that a EoA deal would have been worth it). If they are smaller than you, in theory you won't be hitting them from the rest of the age anyways. EoA deals are handed out more frequently than you think. Now your in this situation and are obviously upset about it... learn from it L2dip (yes it doesn't come easy).

[Palem]

It's this lack of attention to detail that will cause tears.

What doesn't?

[octobrev]

[StratOcastle]

I grew up on Candid Camera and In Search Of.

I'm talking about launching AmnesiaCam! Shaky camera angles with poor unsuspecting random attackers getting sprayed with a face full of forgetfulness. I'm telling you it's comedy gold.

Posting results in forum. " Wup, here comes a big curious looking orc warrior. He's pokin' around... "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYi_hq2p1Ac

[EvilEndures]

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You say hitting into a war is something frowned upon, but is okay in this case coz we are the bigger KD.

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Thank you all for your insight. I see the game better now.

Fyi, I'm considering suiciding into a top KD for the rest of the age for bullying.

I'm not saying I'd do it to you if what you said is true but alot of "Top KDs" act arrogantly enough being PK'd by a 3rd party while in a war is deserved. (i.e. Equal-ish exchange of acres followed by a CF of indeterminate length is fair. Even if you were up quite a bit, it'd still be fair.)

Any top KD that refuses to CF while bottom feeding when they are up tho deserves the PKing in war imo.

[Madchess]

the thread is not about some top kd but a sub 3 million nw kingdom (now) getting razed by a 5 man kingdom, likely a group of friends, and that kingdom has done it before, oh he is also an attacking faery.

By the way I'm not afiliated with any of the two kingdoms, I just so happened to keep tabs of the smaller kingdom because of their actions towards the last kd we warred, and got to know the other kd by grabbing some intel.

While diplo may have been bad or lacking what I understod from their previous victim posting their messages in our warforum is diplomacy was not possible even given the best circumstances, of course I only got one side of the story there too. The bigger kingdom then tries to settle it by force but lacks to see that they need to take on the entire kingdom as what they are up against is likely a group of friends not some random get together, this comes back and bites them in their behind when they goes to war without having followed up on initially razing the faery for arround half his acres.

Of course if the bigger kingdom threathened the smaller their actions makes perfectly sense, but if it was the other way arround the bigger kingdom should have spent those 1-2 weeks on decimating the entire smaller kingdom so they could not act on it, they still can do it when exitting war and entering warending cf, but if they feel like spending the time dooing just that I do not see the need for this thread at all. There is no use getting trolled by top kingdom, just act if that is your intention and if not then you know why they did as hey did, cause they got away with it again because you could not set your other goals aside to deal with them. One of their goals apparently became to interfere in your war, possible your upcomming wars as well.

[StratOcastle]

Simply an unfortunate event. I can understand how things spun out of control.

Quite truthfully I don't random, I only retal...unless I'm playing in a competitive kingdom. Even then I'm reluctant to invade smaller kingdoms. I make my way in war as a means of progression. I have setbacks just like everyone else. I'm a goody-2-shoes, that's why.

Because a portion of my acres are due solely to my willingness to retal you can imagine it's a practice I take seriously. To understand this, we're talking about my army getting hit at home by a larger opponent from an organized kingdom. This is the standard by which we both function. I've been doing this for roughly 10 ages. The thing is, I can be reasoned with. I enjoy the challenge. I respect my opposition.

It seems the problem is unintentional disrespect. This comes down to first impressions. I can do everything everyone else does.( I'm using myself as an example of every player, so I don't want to lose you on this.) I am only one and you've found kingdom with 20 something of me, and resolute. They don't have to be mechanical geniuses, they only need the will and the offense. All other brilliant tactics, purpose in gaming, meta expertise and diplomatic aerobatics are irrelevant.

I certainly don't think you deserve this. This is one of the possible outcomes of randoming. I never stopped randoming for fear of opposition, I stopped because I knew I could manage. My appreciation for the small player base is qualified by a live and let live mentality. If someone randoms me, I can appreciate their willingness to match skills. Every whoring kingdom takes the same risk. I hope this doesn't ruin your age.