A request to the Admins. Protect interests of larger KDs.

[Pillz]

Ghettos are always going to cry over **** like this.

If a smaller KD retals you, you either close relations with diplo to avoid a conflict or you crush them. If you don't want to spend the time or are incapable of crushing them, close ****ing relations.

Ghettos gonna ghetto

[EvilEndures]

The problem is that griefers will grief. They have no bonds to their kingdom, no care for their province, they are just getting their rocks off by giving their egos an outlet. If you care about your kingdom and province, you will be the loser.
Sheister admitting he's griefing in this thread sums it up. He just gets pleasure from it because he has no goals this age.
Little you can do, and Strato is right when he says all you will get from posting in here is a lot of critical hot air.

Yes, if you bully some casual KD / ghetto...and they decide you aren't being reasonable, they are going to grief you. Its the only defense they have against "serious" top KDs that act like bullies. Some instances are reasonable, some instances are not. Ultimately, reasonable is in the eye of the griefer...not you. So best play nice and close out relations if you plan to war later.

[Sheister]

I actually did not get that impression from Sheister. I think Sheister is just having fun playing the game and he thinks its amusing when kingdoms try and bully him. And he is also happy that he is teaching other players how to stand up for their selves as well.

The impression of the OP I have is that he is a ghetto bully who picked on the wrong kingdom.

I believe you have me right there. If I were merely a griefer, I would not attempt diplomacy first. Strangely, most of the ghetto's I am not tormenting believe that because I am not a M or S that I have no place in diplomacy. Strange kids......

[MyNameIsMatija]

I believe you have me right there. If I were merely a griefer, I would not attempt diplomacy first. Strangely, most of the ghetto's I am not tormenting believe that because I am not a M or S that I have no place in diplomacy. Strange kids......

They do this in the top as well :P

[Sheister]

Not that I have noticed. People will say "ok, have your monarch contact me and we can finalize" I have never seen "Don't engage in diplomacy you are not monarch!" followed by razing me three times.

I would think that people would be smart enough to recognize when someone says "look, I have no goals here other than to mess around and slack this age. but if you push me, I am going to have to make things hard on you, please CF us" the other side, who has made 4 unanswered hits into that kingdom, or in this case on that one province, would stop, think, listen, and do the smart thing.

I guess not...

What I get instead is "Don't threten me! You are not big enough to threaten me!" More razes. So I bide my time until they are in war and then I raze all their chains with my cuddly avian warrior for 75 acres/wave. 10-20% rax on an avian warrior can easily raze off 225 acres daily. For some reason people just don't think.

[MyNameIsMatija]

You have changed your initial statement. Occupational hazard I guess.

[Sheister]

Did I? I am not spending too much time parsing.

OMG! You got me Matija!

don't try to rules lawyer someone who has no regard for rules Matija. It does not work.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Ah the pigeon playing chess example again? Just messing with you anyway so don't care :D

Someone with no regard to the rules would need extra explaining, you are easy :P

[Bart of Sparta]

Ah the pigeon playing chess example again? Just messing with you anyway so don't care :D

Someone with no regard to the rules would need extra explaining, you are easy :P

I doubt any professional chess player can beat a pidgeon at chess. Simple fact is that the pidgeon will not accept the rules as they are.

Kasparov: "Peon C2 - C4"
*Pidgeon jumps on the board and smashes his formation*
Kasparov: "You cannot do that"
*Pidgeon ****s on his head*
Kasparov: "gfg fml"
Community: "What do you expect, you're playing chess with a pidgeon"

[MyNameIsMatija]

If I was Kasparov I would observe other pigeons, pick out the one that looks the toughest and let it loose on the one that shat on my board :D

[Elldallan]

I'm fine with Eldallan's reading but I also understand the OP's point. If ANY warring KD on the server would get fed on by a top-KD and refused to surrender and then proceeded to raze into said top-KD's next war, they would be GBed. If I had a problem with another KD and would just razekill them into their next war there would be outrage. While most of the community agrees that diplo should be sorted first, I think most also agree that war should provide some protection. We're not talking about them throwing 4-5 waves without diplo into another KD, or stealing gold just before entering a war.

First I don't think a top-KD would be silly enough to leave their relations open like that, they'd make sure to close them by whatever means necessary, or pass off the conflict on some friendly ghetto.

And second, top-KD's typically look for their own benefit, if they don't stand to gain anything by GB then GB would only happen if age is already over and the Top-KD's have lots and lots of free time & boredom. So if you read the waters the chance for getting gb'ed is slim to none. I've yet to really see a GB situation where the top-KD's joined in against their own personal best interest, they like to claim they're doing it for all sorts of noble reason but it's BS and always comes down to self interest when you wash away all the meaningless PR BS.

[DonJuan]

Its not the top-KDs that should be worried about this actually...sure Top-KDs will always get more attention once they f- up and gets nub-rolled while they are not looking...but its really the organized Mid-tier KDs that have nub-leadership that don't realize what can happen when they make enemies.

It could be due to simple retals of randoms for expample...many of those kind of mid-tier KDs that will easily roll over for the top-KDs and then expect the same consideration from every KD smaller than them.

Its even worse because they have no accountability because they are so inexperienced in organized growth OOW since they DO NOT KNOW how to look for safe retals...then once they get retalled they try to assert their dominance by giving hostile ops.

This happens every day...and can easily end up like AnonBoy's KD since these type of nub KDs dont pay attention to their relations...they are much more susceptible to these guerilla tactics.

[Elit]

Its well know fact good KDs stay small so they can hunt big one. We really need protection on big n00bs!

[Jonzilla]

The sense of entitlement amongst bigger kingdoms is infuriating.

We used to get crushed by bigger kingdoms, top 20 usually, randoming into us, and just expecting to get away with it. We decided a new strat this age, and our policy is to retal every random from top kingdoms at least once. If they take offense, we give them a choice: cf us or we hit into their next war. three from three have taken the cf.

It might not be the most honourable, but its very effective... i don't feel bad about it at all.


My point is, don't whinge about people hitting into your war. It's not cheating. There are game mechanics reducing gains significantly during war. Don't try to bully smaller kingdoms and expect to get away with it. Of course they will stand up for themselves.

[Folle]

The sense of entitlement amongst bigger kingdoms is infuriating.

We used to get crushed by bigger kingdoms, top 20 usually, randoming into us, and just expecting to get away with it. We decided a new strat this age, and our policy is to retal every random from top kingdoms at least once. If they take offense, we give them a choice: cf us or we hit into their next war. three from three have taken the cf.

It might not be the most honourable, but its very effective... i don't feel bad about it at all.


My point is, don't whinge about people hitting into your war. It's not cheating. There are game mechanics reducing gains significantly during war. Don't try to bully smaller kingdoms and expect to get away with it. Of course they will stand up for themselves.

Dont come crying when those Kingdoms razekill you in your next war.

Guess your Kingdom never randoms either.