#1 vs#2 honor kds

[jacko]

@sarcasm :

Well, your continual refusing of giving a straight answer to such basic question tells pretty much everything. I stop here, I have better things to waste my time with.
GL with that "I'm-in-denial-but-I-hope-I'll-win-discussions-if-I-just-stick-to-my-story,-even-without-arguments" attitude; as one guy said it already to someone else in here, I hope it actually does anything constructive for you in RL, 'cause in here it doesn't do you any good. It just shows how impossible is for you to accept defeat.

PS : I have no real reason to delete my account, you failed pretty bad to give me a valid one. Besides, I hope I'll get the chance to feed on some of you guys in TBB, later this age. Is not like you wouldn't deserve something like that ...

[citadela01]

anyone that has met me IRL knows that Im far from my uto personality. This is a game after all, yet a game we want to do well at all of us. Currently the MAP Alliance is working against the interest of the majority of players playing this game. Examples are TBB, but also Ascension a few weeks ago.

At the same time Im also adding a layer of complexity to your game, so you should be happy I manage to keep lively a dying game. Hate/revenge feelings make people stick around as much as love! I dont think Ive ever been vague in here. Ive given concrete examples of the KDs involved having partaken in comparable actions.

As for an agenda, there is none but parity. If the MAP alliance would allow all of the competing server to be part of their group, it would go a long to solving many of the grudges. All we as Sparta ever wanted was to have a fair shot in a level playing field. the playing field has been skewed through age-long links which results in unequal CF negotiations, bands of supporter-KDs FSUing competition and unequal help in case of ****play/DBs (we received close to none when Pandas DBed us).

Good evening cita <3

Its good to hear your RL persona is different from uto one, patronizing aspect aside, that is a good thing.

You give yourself too much credit, as far as player base goes you do far more damage than good imo.

There is no alliance, other than the one you are working so hard on making with Sanctus and satelites. If you can manage to convince people about existence of this new, ugly entity in which known enemies work side by side, than props to you.

You are not looking for a fair shot and even playing field. You are looking for an unfair advantage like so many before you.
I see you as product of your enviroment, you were introduced to the game of cheating and abusing by people who looked to profit on you. You simply spiraled out of control with it.

I understand this may seem as something new and revolutionary to you, but its really not. Its just rehashed case of many people who went down the same pattern of behavior before you, some with remarkable success.

In reality the only thing that makes you pop out from previous "barts" is your desire for spotlight and presence in forums.
Catch22 is that same exposure brings unwanted attention, if you played silent game you could get away with much more, and make much fewer enemies along the way.

In the end I am just sorry you manage to drag other people to your level, like you did with tbb and jesters this age.
Its getting harder for the rest of us to just play normal utopia.

Good evening to you too.

edit:
Ill make a wild guess here.
It intrigues me how you silently introduced MAP phrase as some entity existing in the game, and than expanded it to a phrase MAP Alliance in your last post. What is your motivation for this I wonder ?

I am going to speculate there are talks going on behind curtain about creating alliance of Sparta/Sanctus and some third party kingdoms. Under a premise of needing a leverage to "defend" against this suposed entity.
Just food for thought for random reader.

[Aranfein]

Whaaaat ? who's MAP alliance? thought we were angry at Feyrplay? (from what i understand feyrplay is no more anyway, so no need for alliances).

Im at a loss can someone fill me in, who's what and which KDs is in this alliance?

[jacko]

These kids these days, where do they get their engarish from?

Maybe I got it in the same place a buddy of yours (and mine), Kostas, got it; Greece. Or maybe it's another country, not very far from this one :P

[Exxo]

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I am going to speculate there are talks going on behind curtain about creating alliance of Sparta/Sanctus and some third party kingdoms. Under a premise of needing a leverage to "defend" against this suposed entity.
Just food for thought for random reader.

I wonder about that as well. *grabs popcorn*

[StratOcastle]

People always say the game is too small for this or that. I recommend throwing a superball as hard as you can in the bathroom. Tell me that's not fun. Shut the door; safety first.

[NotJohnRingo]

I recommend throwing a superball as hard as you can in the bathroom. Tell me that's not fun.

That's not fun.

[ckonn]

Quote Originally Posted by jacko View Post
they have some multi's in them, in order to get us the wins". Are these real enough for your like ?

Can anyone in Sanctus speak to whether or not TBB had a multi in your KD when you withdrew from them at min time?

No : )

[Raikon]

Had to get more and make sure it doesn't run out I can't miss the show.

[Goodwitch]

Saying that Bart corrupted Jesters and TBB is giving him far too much credit. They were so all along, Bart simply utilized them for his own agenda.

The funny thing is that in previous ages the signs were all there. Countless complaints about foul play that were shrugged off by the very same people that are now up in arms about it. The issues isn't a new one. The only thing that changed is the target they chose.

@sarcasm...if you don't think planting a player in a specific kingdom is possible, you missed a lot. It can and has been done multiple times.
Also, if you were really all about warring and didn't care about crowns there would be no need for financial aid and all that.

as far as acres for gold trades...they come in different packages, such as a kingdom wanting to regulate their size and asking for a land drop and the hitting kingdom offers gc in return. Or a kingdom demands acres for a cf and offers gc in return,,,and then there is the case where gold is offered to a kingdom in order to chart shape...I am sure there are more versions and while some are dirty others are not quite as bad. And yes , there are still kingdoms that do not do any sort of land for gold trades, or land for services or gold for services deals.

[JusticeLeague]

Regardless what value, may we have an update of the current situation?
I still see TBB slightly bigger than CR in NW and at same acreage. So means more troops?
Then what the is the big deal? Just war again?

[Bart of Sparta]

Saying that Bart corrupted Jesters and TBB is giving him far too much credit. They were so all along, Bart simply utilized them for his own agenda.

The funny thing is that in previous ages the signs were all there. Countless complaints about foul play that were shrugged off by the very same people that are now up in arms about it. The issues isn't a new one. The only thing that changed is the target they chose.

@sarcasm...if you don't think planting a player in a specific kingdom is possible, you missed a lot. It can and has been done multiple times.
Also, if you were really all about warring and didn't care about crowns there would be no need for financial aid and all that.

as far as acres for gold trades...they come in different packages, such as a kingdom wanting to regulate their size and asking for a land drop and the hitting kingdom offers gc in return. Or a kingdom demands acres for a cf and offers gc in return,,,and then there is the case where gold is offered to a kingdom in order to chart shape...I am sure there are more versions and while some are dirty others are not quite as bad. And yes , there are still kingdoms that do not do any sort of land for gold trades, or land for services or gold for services deals.

1. I never utilized either. They very much made their own decisions. They came to me for gc and they got it. Obviously due to CR's foul play vs Sparta we were a bit more generous.
2. They don't come in different packages. Gc is given, land is taken. Whatever the reason/amount/whatever does not and should not matter.
3. Good KDs that win a lot of wars always get more stick from others. My personal experience with TBB/Jesters has always been good through the ages even when we were warring tier. And that is saying something because warring-tier KDs are notorious for breaking wardeals and build advantages in other shady ways.

[fivefinger]

1. I never utilized either. They very much made their own decisions. They came to me for gc and they got it. Obviously due to CR's foul play vs Sparta we were a bit more generous.
2. They don't come in different packages. Gc is given, land is taken. Whatever the reason/amount/whatever does not and should not matter.
3. Good KDs that win a lot of wars always get more stick from others. My personal experience with TBB/Jesters has always been good through the ages even when we were warring tier. And that is saying something because warring-tier KDs are notorious for breaking wardeals and build advantages in other shady ways.

Can't wait for people to jump at Bart's comment #3 and say "we take it with a grain of salt".
Popcorn and peanuts ready!

[MyNameIsMatija]

@citadela
I may have a number of questions for you so bear with me. Honest answers would be greatly appreciated.
It was I who started calling it the MAP Group and the MAP Consortium, Bartman simply adapted the term, I was born in it, molded by it. If the things referred to are make-belief why on Earth do you think Spartans are not helping with the double hostile taking place? Also, the double hostile seems well executed and planned, since it's technically not a double hostile until TBB spring the trap set by you, like Francis so readily explains and they are just "making it worse" by even talking about it. It's mere hits trading and some random GC/horses stealing, at least this is the strategy you tackle the justification of your actions on these boards with this time. So tell me again, is this another example of the MAP Consortium NOT being at work?
Finally, since when have you become blind to such things and are you really OK with the double hostile taking place? Is this really where you want FS to go? I'm not judging, I'm asking, I've always thought of you as something other than that so just make things clear once and for all for me, do me this one small favor even though you owe me none.

Jesters has always been good through the ages even when we were warring tier.

lol?
Oh, missed the personal experience part, now I get it.

[maccar86]

FS hit TBB and gave meter when TBB had no meter with any other kd in the game. TBB entered a double hostile situation because they panicked and couldn't close out open relations with FS before they gave the button to CR.

How is this in any way shape or form about FS or CR?