#1 vs#2 honor kds

[MyNameIsMatija]

These are the technicalities they will justify this with, it's the FS MO, they played it well this time, much better than those spectacles with Pyro, mad props. Well, to be fair, TBB helped quite a bit, swallowing the bait whole.

[JusticeLeague]

FS hit TBB and gave meter when TBB had no meter with any other kd in the game. TBB entered a double hostile situation because they panicked and couldn't close out open relations with FS before they gave the button to CR.

How is this in any way shape or form about FS or CR?

My understanding...
FS hit TBB-Legal
TBB wave CR without closing relations-Legal but foolish as FS is still entitled to continue hitting TBB
TBB war CR-Legal
FS stop hit when CR and TBB in war-Legal

So what is TBB b*tching about?

[MyNameIsMatija]

CR hit them first and have stolen from them. FS interfered here, obviously they will say unaware of the situation, but let's be honest, this was planned from the start. It doesn't actually matter what you say or believe either. What matters is, Spartans are not strong enough to combat the MAP Consortium, that's what it comes down to. We can Uto lawyer and argue here all we want, it will not change a thing.

I see this more as a personal eyeopener as to what FS actually is. No matter the situation they could always pull out from hitting a KD that has done nothing to them and is otherwise engaged - the warring KD that they are they should be looking for wars not to double team someone, but they choose not to, they are part of the MAP Group and are just acting on the agreement they signed, the agreement that controls the server.

[Elit]

These are the technicalities they will justify this with, it's the FS MO, they played it well this time, much better than those spectacles with Pyro, mad props. Well, to be fair, TBB helped quite a bit, swallowing the bait whole.

I had many times this kind silly talks with different people but main ABS/ASF when sides play with words so i can understand you, BUT we all know what is going and why. If you want to blame some one and use definition MAP start with Sparta and Bart. Your donation 300 mill gold in active b2b wars is what trigger all. If you didn't interfere in it CR will have won his second war long ago and both sides will have already his CF deal. Why bich now how its unfair to TDD when Sparta/TDD already acted unfair to CR. What is going now is actually fair and what need to be given for answer when other party chart shape this drastic.

How i posted already i SUSPECT Sparta plan was to bring his friends big and before age end to deal break Emerity and GB them for win n1 land spot. Its why you gave for FREE 300 mill gold to TDD because you need them for your plan to work. Now when its not work Sparta is most upset from all.

p.s.
look like i messed kd name we war for 2-3 times this age but its not important :P

[Dean21]

What a weird scenario, one month i read Matija ****ting on Bart for everything, now i see him in Sparta blaming Feyr, MAP, Aliens, Trump for everything. You can get lost in these small, yet entertaining forums if you don't follow closely (hell, you'll get lost either way) :)

[MyNameIsMatija]

Actually Elit, I've just joined this KD for reasons different than crowning. I'm not in the very least upset by that, like I said the closer I come to the understanding of certain KDs the better I will understand Utopia and we all know knowledge is power.
CR have done the same in the past, them or their allies were never processed for it because they were already a part of the MAP Group. It's this prevalent hypocrisy that upsets me, they come to these boards and act clean, they even attack Bart as a person for doing the same things they have always done.
FS is in it because they always try to benefit when the top fights, the lowest path of resistance is to side with the strong of course, ever since BB sort of lost out in power they do CR's or Emeriti's bidding, see that's how strong their "beliefs" are.

[maccar86]

CR hit them first and have stolen from them. FS interfered here, obviously they will say unaware of the situation, but let's be honest, this was planned from the start. It doesn't actually matter what you say or believe either. What matters is, Spartans are not strong enough to combat the MAP Consortium, that's what it comes down to. We can Uto lawyer and argue here all we want, it will not change a thing.

I see this more as a personal eyeopener as to what FS actually is. No matter the situation they could always pull out from hitting a KD that has done nothing to them and is otherwise engaged - the warring KD that they are they should be looking for wars not to double team someone, but they choose not to, they are part of the MAP Group and are just acting on the agreement they signed, the agreement that controls the server.

Wrong!

TBB plundered CR *2 - didn't give meter
CR did not retal those hits.
FS hit TBB * 7 and gave meter - TBB had no meter with any other kd on the server
CR hit *2 in retal to the 2* TBB hits some hours earlier. - didn't give meter
TBB full wave CR while having open relations with FS.

That has been widely documented through this entire forum. Stop trying to twist the scenario to make FS look at fault here and your BS allegations on how they play the game.

[maccar86]

Actually Elit, I've just joined this KD for reasons different than crowning. I'm not in the very least upset by that, like I said the closer I come to the understanding of certain KDs the better I will understand Utopia and we all know knowledge is power.
CR have done the same in the past, them or their allies were never processed for it because they were already a part of the MAP Group. It's this prevalent hypocrisy that upsets me, they come to these boards and act clean, they even attack Bart as a person for doing the same things they have always done.
FS is in it because they always try to benefit when the top fights, the lowest path of resistance is to side with the strong of course, ever since BB sort of lost out in power they do CR's or Emeriti's bidding, see that's how strong their "beliefs" are.

Because it is the last T10 KD on the server that will have you?

[Uncle Ed]

This is for the people who play in ghetto kingdoms and wonder how things work in the "top tier". While I am new to this level of excellent game play, I think I have learned enough to kind of interpret the rules of engagement to those who are confused by the many posts in this thread.

a) In top tier, you can beat a kingdom in war, and then wave them again as soon as they come out of protection and take even more land and honor from them. Since they are in no position for an immediate rematch, they will be forced to give up their honor and land whether they like it or not.

b) If you lose a war, and find yourself being farmed by the kingdom you just lost to, you are not allowed to seek financial aid to help you prepare for the rematch, but you are allowed to ask other friends to beat down the winner's top provinces so you can break them in war.

c) If you are part of the MAP alliance, you make the rules, change the rules and can break the rules anytime you like and noone will do a thing about it.

To sum it all up, if you are in a ghetto kingdom and like to war...Stay there. You will find that most ghetto kingdoms fight with honor and respect and the wars and war forums are usually fun and exciting.

[MyNameIsMatija]

CR has stolen GC and horses, eh nvm, like I said doesn't matter.

BB hasn't kicked me out, I left, truth be told staying there was becoming more of a nuisance than pleasure for both me and them though - it was the right decision to leave. I have no idea where other KDs stand on taking me in, I don't care, I have other options, I have people that I can rally and start a KD of my own if all else fails - not trying to brag, just letting you understand my situation, I'll give you this power value since I'm in a good mood as I always try to be.

[Dean21]

actually as Zauper posted log:
TBB (6 hrs):
21/50SWH45k|4/19IR39|4/8PIT18|12/16MS77|2/4BG|2/3RTV6.5k

45k WH and 6.5K WH. game changing.

OT, would be fun to have Matija KD :P i'd like to see it

[MyNameIsMatija]

MyNameIsKingdom, the destroyer of Worlds.

[Elit]

This is for the people who play in ghetto kingdoms and wonder how things work in the "top tier". While I am new to this level of excellent game play, I think I have learned enough to kind of interpret the rules of engagement to those who are confused by the many posts in this thread.

a) In top tier, you can beat a kingdom in war, and then wave them again as soon as they come out of protection and take even more land and honor from them. Since they are in no position for an immediate rematch, they will be forced to give up their honor and land whether they like it or not.

b) If you lose a war, and find yourself being farmed by the kingdom you just lost to, you are not allowed to seek financial aid to help you prepare for the rematch, but you are allowed to ask other friends to beat down the winner's top provinces so you can break them in war.

c) If you are part of the MAP alliance, you make the rules, change the rules and can break the rules anytime you like and noone will do a thing about it.

To sum it all up, if you are in a ghetto kingdom and like to war...Stay there. You will find that most ghetto kingdoms fight with honor and respect and the wars and war forums are usually fun and exciting.

So far a/b/c is correct but its NOT how normally all go in top.

a. 2 KDs war one really loss other win both CF, or war end even no real winer often result b2b wars.

b+c its not good to ask other kingdoms to help you for your 1vs1 b2b wars. Dont matter how its processes. Most from time in TOP its stay much more clean from warring range because most KDs in top have CFs and number total KDs involved are much less from warring range. So if we compare warring/honor range and TOP i can tell you TOP play much more clean...still regular we can face total BS here too.

To sum it all: Utopia is very very dirty game (i have see other dirty game too) where humans show all his bad sides and you cant expect much fairness. Every time when one is feel like he can break rules (moral or game) and he wont get catch he do it. Its sad but its what i have see for so long.

[Binar]

I am confused... Am I a part of MAP alliance? would have been nice to have when CR 3v1 me oop

[Elit]

BTW when TBB cry now how they play so fair and how CR was bad one for ask for land lets remind you what you did early this age. YOU waved CR right after left from his war and you had over 3 mill NW advantage. Was clear CR cant war you like this and we asked for CF. TBB didn't offer us some kind terms for not hit our important prov but keep hits us for 2 days till noting left for you and after it TBB accepted CF. So when you act harsh and don't care for other ppl feeling why you expect other to be different to you?