#1 vs#2 honor kds

[Elit]

I am confused... Am I a part of MAP alliance? would have been nice to have when CR 3v1 me oop

Are you going to deny our relations? So far i have send you Proteus so we can stay this close!

[MyNameIsMatija]

I am confused... Am I a part of MAP alliance? would have been nice to have when CR 3v1 me oop

I am confused, will you or will you not GB Spartans if they help TBB?

[Elit]

I am confused, will you or will you not GB Spartans if they help TBB?

What reason have Sparta for help TBB? Special when TBB made classical n00b mistake...and put himself in 2 open relations.

[MyNameIsMatija]

No reason.

[Elit]

No reason.

So why ask silly questions :P You don't have reason for interfere in legit relations.

[MyNameIsMatija]

The question stands.

[Elit]

The question stands.

What you asking is: can Sparta deal break and interfere again in other kingdom relation and are rest KDs in server going to be fine with it.

To give you answer: my opinion is YES you deserve to be GBed if you make it.

[citadela01]

@citadela
I may have a number of questions for you so bear with me. Honest answers would be greatly appreciated.
It was I who started calling it the MAP Group and the MAP Consortium, Bartman simply adapted the term, I was born in it, molded by it. If the things referred to are make-belief why on Earth do you think Spartans are not helping with the double hostile taking place? Also, the double hostile seems well executed and planned, since it's technically not a double hostile until TBB spring the trap set by you, like Francis so readily explains and they are just "making it worse" by even talking about it. It's mere hits trading and some random GC/horses stealing, at least this is the strategy you tackle the justification of your actions on these boards with this time. So tell me again, is this another example of the MAP Consortium NOT being at work?
Finally, since when have you become blind to such things and are you really OK with the double hostile taking place? Is this really where you want FS to go? I'm not judging, I'm asking, I've always thought of you as something other than that so just make things clear once and for all for me, do me this one small favor even though you owe me none.

When you ask so nice, sure.

To adress MAP, if we had such agreement with CR they would ask for help after aTBB got farmed gold by you guys.
And we would help.
This did not happen, so entire map angle is moot.

As to why we engaged TBB, and why we kept hitting them.
They dealbroke us twice in last 3 ages.
One of those db's lead to canceling arranged war we preped for for 10 days, and fully drafted and trained for.
Other time they jerked francis arround for weeks, and in the end we didnt get land we were promised in exchange for eoa cf they got from us.

We carry a grudge, but rather than to make a big fuss over it in forums, we opted to jump and rape them when oportunity presented itself.
We tend to pay back every ****play in this exactly same way whenever possible, you should know, your curent kd's chances to crown went down the drain exactly the same way this age. Because they db us when we whored.

Everything else happening with tbb waving cr since is just dodge in my eyes.
They initiated conflict with cr, not the other way arround.
I think they are just playing martyr trying to run from us, and we are not respecting it.
Why should we ? They just did massive ****play to cr to win that second war, and now they keep pounding them more just to run from us and not get gutted.
Bart coming here with stories how ****played others in the past makes no difference to me.
Two wrongs dont make right.

[MyNameIsMatija]

What you asking is: can Sparta deal break and interfere again in other kingdom relation and are rest KDs in server going to be fine with it.

To give you answer: my opinion is YES you deserve to be GBed if you make it.

Like that sort of thing ever stopped Emeriti from doing what best suits them, in this case I guess they are stil afraid of Sparta DBing them so this is their safest way to crown and additionally their relations with the other stronger KDs enforcing their own rules on the server remain intact. They don't even care that CR tripled them at oop, they only have one priority. So to finally answer Binar's question, your silence makes it a yes.

Two wrongs dont make right.

Now you are making more sense, except for that statement, how does it fit the whole "an eye for an eye" angle?
You see I always challenge the strong, I never fuss around with the defenseless, I guess that's why I have a hard time with agreeing with many of the decisions people in Utopia make.
TBB seemed defenseless to me and this is why I wanted to help them as much as I could. Someone in our private channel said something and it resonated well with me, pretty much the same way that I felt:

[8:18 AM]
No issue w BB
[8:18]
Wave the bad guys

[Paradise]

When you ask so nice, sure.

To adress MAP, if we had such agreement with CR they would ask for help after aTBB got farmed gold by you guys.
And we would help.
This did not happen, so entire map angle is moot.

As to why we engaged TBB, and why we kept hitting them.
They dealbroke us twice in last 3 ages.
One of those db's lead to canceling arranged war we preped for for 10 days, and fully drafted and trained for.
Other time they jerked francis arround for weeks, and in the end we didnt get land we were promised in exchange for eoa cf they got from us.

We carry a grudge, but rather than to make a big fuss over it in forums, we opted to jump and rape them when oportunity presented itself.
We tend to pay back every ****play in this exactly same way whenever possible, you should know, your curent kd's chances to crown went down the drain exactly the same way this age. Because they db us when we whored.

Everything else happening with tbb waving cr since is just dodge in my eyes.
They initiated conflict with cr, not the other way arround.
I think they are just playing martyr trying to run from us, and we are not respecting it.
Why should we ? They just did massive ****play to cr to win that second war, and now they keep pounding them more just to run from us and not get gutted.
Bart coming here with stories how ****played others in the past makes no difference to me.
Two wrongs dont make right.

1. I vaguely remember there was a thread about this "almost" war. Was it FS who broke deal first? Deal was something like no op no spells before X date, but one of FS's prov did. How could you hold grudge and blame entire thing on them? And I think they also spent as much time as you to prep for that war. So you're saying your time is more precious than theirs?

2 . For the 2nd war with CR, one of the member from TBB mentioned it was CR who waved and initiated the conflict, "not the other way around" and the gcs was mostly funded during eowcf for their rebuilding, then why was it TBB's fault again? Was it a CR's mistake?

3. From news, CR retaliated hard, and no news saying TBB hit FS back, so it's clearly a TBB-CR hostile. (not sure if they op/spell FS though)

4. They may make mistake by waving CR without closing relations with you, but your justifications to keep waving them looks just like excuses to take advantage of the situation, or there might be another motivation which you don't want to reveal.

[citadela01]

Now you are making more sense, except for that statement, how does it fit the whole "an eye for an eye" angle?
You see I always challenge the strong, I never fuss around with the defenseless, I guess that's why I have a hard time with agreeing with many of the decisions people in Utopia make.
TBB seemed defenseless to me and this is why I wanted to help them as much as I could. Someone in our private channel said something and it resonated well with me, pretty much the same way that I felt:

[8:18 AM]
No issue w BB
[8:18]
Wave the bad guys

It works well with eye for an eye.
We didnt farmed gold to CR to help them like you did to promote your own agenda, we waved them ourself.
We even hit fort to fort to lay claim to hostile before they can run.

If you like challanging the strong you should have fight emeriti and not ***** out.
Sending minions to soften your targets like you did to pandas, or feeding gold to other peoples conflicts is not challanging the strong.

[MyNameIsMatija]

"My real play are in the forum" :D

When I joined Spartans they've already signed the age off, does it look like I have a say in what a KD that I'm not even playing in does? Or now that I am same difference?

[citadela01]

1. I vaguely remember there was a thread about this "almost" war. Was it FS who broke deal first? Deal was something like no op no spells before X date, but one of FS's prov did. How could you hold grudge and blame entire thing on them? And I think they also spent as much time as you to prep for that war. So you're saying your time is more precious than theirs?

It is true, one of our guy stole 17k runes in one op.
They used it as an excuse to fully expose 6 rogues from 100 to 20 stealth, and steal milions of gold and runes.

We did not take kindly to it.

[MyNameIsMatija]

If I had my way BB wouldn't have given the 5k bank acres to Emeriti without a fight in the first place.

The phrase "two wrongs infer one right" appears in a poem dated to 1734, published in The London Magazine. This is an informal fallacy that occurs when assuming that, if one wrong is committed, then another wrong will cancel it out. Two wrongs don't make a right is a proverb that contradicts this fallacy – a wrongful action is not a morally appropriate way to correct or cancel a previous wrongful action.

[Paradise]

It is true, one of our guy stole 17k runes in one op.
They used it as an excuse to fully expose 6 rogues from 100 to 20 stealth, and steal milions of gold and runes.

We did not take kindly to it.

There you go, so you db them first, "not the other way around". You are blaming them for your own mistake. The difference as I see is, your mistake then didn't have significant affect to you except some prep time since war was cancelled, but now you're entitled to punish them dearly?