#1 vs#2 honor kds

[Goodwitch]

It is true, one of our guy stole 17k runes in one op.
They used it as an excuse to fully expose 6 rogues from 100 to 20 stealth, and steal milions of gold and runes.

We did not take kindly to it.

I know mistakes happen, it's hard to control all players all the time bla bla bla

BUT

a deal break is a deal break, whether it's 17k runes or 1gc or a million.
If you make a deal you are bound to it. if you break it, you can't complain about whatever the other kingdom wants to dish out. and you can definitely not use it as justification later on for dirty moves... oh wait, you can because...nevermind you thoroughly established there is no such thing as alliances in the top.

[citadela01]

There you go, so you db them first, "not the other way around". You are blaming them for your own mistake. The difference as I see is, your mistake then didn't have significant affect to you except some prep time since war was cancelled, but now you're entitled to punish them dearly?

Show me the courtesy of using proper pronouns will you, I know u play in TBB.

And you are right, we stole 17k runes first, so you unleashed all your tm's hour before button was to be pressed.

Good thing there is no deal to respect now. We waved you when u had no relations and now we are hostile.
Have fun.

[texn]

Cita <3

But i must say... most people in this thread isnt throwing **** against us wich is the "normal" and that makes me kind of happy :D

Btw, call PETA cuz Yume trapped some cats! (Yes they are free now but she said she would do it again).

[MyNameIsMatija]

Show me the courtesy of using proper pronouns will you, I know u play in TBB.

You are not immune to this type of concealing.

[Paradise]

Show me the courtesy of using proper pronouns will you, I know u play in TBB.

And you are right, we stole 17k runes first, so you unleashed all your tm's hour before button was to be pressed.

Good thing there is no deal to respect now. We waved you when u had no relations and now we are hostile.
Have fun.

1. Where I play is not important, what important is the fact regarding that db incident of yours stands true, and they are blamed for it. Please don't change the subject.

2. Another thing is TBB full waved CR when FS only hit 7 times, so was it considered "not legit" hostile yet? Have you ever seen a kingdom that tags "Unfriendly with X:X STFO", I'm sure I have not.

But I have seen situation when a 3rd kingdom full waved in KD A while KD B is in the progress of waving KD A, but has only made 5 to 6 hits so far, with the claim that "you have not reached hostile yet, so we can wave". If people can wave in Unfriendly stance, why can't people wave out?

[sarcasm]

Show me the courtesy of using proper pronouns will you, I know u play in TBB.

And you are right, we stole 17k runes first, so you unleashed all your tm's hour before button was to be pressed.

Good thing there is no deal to respect now. We waved you when u had no relations and now we are hostile.
Have fun.

okay

[citadela01]

1. Where I play is not important, what important is the fact regarding that db incident of yours stands true, and they are blamed for it. Please don't change the subject.

2. Another thing is TBB full waved CR when FS only hit 7 times, so was it considered "not legit" hostile yet? Have you ever seen a kingdom that tags "Unfriendly with X:X STFO", I'm sure I have not.

But I have seen situation when a 3rd kingdom full waved in KD A while KD B is in the progress of waving KD A, but has only made 5 to 6 hits so far, with the claim that "you have not reached hostile yet, so we can wave". If people can wave in Unfriendly stance, why can't people wave out?

You can wave out all you want.
You were fighting one KD, and than u decided to fight two.
That is your purogative.

[Goodwitch]

umm if kingdom a didn't give hostile. then kingdom b did give hostile. kingdom a should respect the hostile....at least that's what Francis once explained to me.along with the threat of gb if kingdom a didn't stop hits immediately.

But I agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right. TBB still played dirty as did spartans..so it's 3 wrongs don't make a right at least...wonder how many more wrongs we can find in this one single incident

[daneurea]

umm if kingdom a didn't give hostile. then kingdom b did give hostile. kingdom a should respect the hostile....at least that's what Francis once explained to me.along with the threat of gb if kingdom a didn't stop hits immediately.

But I agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right. TBB still played dirty as did spartans..so it's 3 wrongs don't make a right at least...wonder how many more wrongs we can find in this one single incident

Nothing's wrong... if the game allows you to hit then you still right. Lol

[blizz]

The kingdom that got actioned by bishop for using multis to farm war ghettos is whining about "rule breaking"

damn son, thats just rich

[Paradise]

umm if kingdom a didn't give hostile. then kingdom b did give hostile. kingdom a should respect the hostile....at least that's what Francis once explained to me.along with the threat of gb if kingdom a didn't stop hits immediately.

But I agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right. TBB still played dirty as did spartans..so it's 3 wrongs don't make a right at least...wonder how many more wrongs we can find in this one single incident

Thank you for your opinion, appreciate it very much. Though I'm not concerned about whether 2 wrongs or 3 wrongs make a right, I just wanted to know if Unfriendly stance is the same as Hostile stance. Apparently in some instances it's the same, while it's not in others, I guess it depends on which kingdoms are involved. And in this particular case, it's claimed the same.

IMHO, kingdom should only has "hostile protection" if it actually gives Hostile relation to another. Else a kingdom could have just hit another kingdom a few times (max 7) and claim hostile to have the immunity without having the risk of instant declaration. An exception would be an agreed war where the terms require 1 kingdom to hit 7 times first, etc.

So back to this very case itself, A hit B 7 times (unf), and B waved C (hostile), causing a so-called Unf-Hostile situation. The hostile-hostile (or double hostile) situation officially started when A made the 8th hit into B later.

So who was in the right? and who was in the wrong?

[texn]

umm if kingdom a didn't give hostile. then kingdom b did give hostile. kingdom a should respect the hostile....at least that's what Francis once explained to me.along with the threat of gb if kingdom a didn't stop hits immediately.

But I agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right. TBB still played dirty as did spartans..so it's 3 wrongs don't make a right at least...wonder how many more wrongs we can find in this one single incident

Im teaching Francis the ways of the Viking.

[texn]

Thank you for your opinion, appreciate it very much. Though I'm not concerned about whether 2 wrongs or 3 wrongs make a right, I just wanted to know if Unfriendly stance is the same as Hostile stance. Apparently in some instances it's the same, while it's not in others, I guess it depends on which kingdoms are involved. And in this particular case, it's claimed the same.

IMHO, kingdom should only has "hostile protection" if it actually gives Hostile relation to another. Else a kingdom could have just hit another kingdom a few times (max 7) and claim hostile to have the immunity without having the risk of instant declaration. An exception would be an agreed war where the terms require 1 kingdom to hit 7 times first, etc.

So back to this very case itself, A hit B 7 times (unf), and B waved C (hostile), causing a so-called Unf-Hostile situation. The hostile-hostile (or double hostile) situation officially started when A made the 8th hit into B later.

So who was in the right? and who was in the wrong?

Well, when B waved C after getting waved by A they kinda fu#ked them selfs. It's like saying, heres the lube come and play since no CF was in the making.

[dreaku]

Well, when B waved C after getting waved by A they kinda fu#ked them selfs. It's like saying, heres the lube come and play since no CF was in the making.

neah, no lube.

[HerpNDerp]

FS is funny. Their super fk'd up way of trying to justify their actions is they hit TBB 7 times right as TBB was leaving fort. 'Giving relations' -- what a joke. You weren't 'giving relations'. You were farming TBB's elves for honor and land as a way to help your friends in CR after they lost the second war. There is really no justification needed. FS is part of a group that gets to make the rules, and re-write the rules, as it stands to benefit them and their friends. Literally any other justification at this point is utter bullsh!t. FS knows it. CR knows it. TBB knows it. This shouldn't be that hard. For Elit and Citadela and whatever other people keep trying to explain away the actions of FS is just silly. How long has FS been waving into TBB now? 2 days? It's just free acres with shoddy reasoning to keep doing it. Trash play is trash play, doesn't matter who does it.