#1 vs#2 honor kds

[texn]

FS is funny. Their super fk'd up way of trying to justify their actions is they hit TBB 7 times right as TBB was leaving fort. 'Giving relations' -- what a joke. You weren't 'giving relations'. You were farming TBB's elves for honor and land as a way to help your friends in CR after they lost the second war. There is really no justification needed. FS is part of a group that gets to make the rules, and re-write the rules, as it stands to benefit them and their friends. Literally any other justification at this point is utter bullsh!t. FS knows it. CR knows it. TBB knows it. This shouldn't be that hard. For Elit and Citadela and whatever other people keep trying to explain away the actions of FS is just silly. How long has FS been waving into TBB now? 2 days? It's just free acres with shoddy reasoning to keep doing it. Trash play is trash play, doesn't matter who does it.

It's funny how ppl know more about what groups we are in than ourselfs. Wopwop, U n Matija should put on the foil hats.

[HerpNDerp]

There isn't any legitimate reason for you to be continually bashing on TBB, other than to shape the honor charts in the direction that you want them to go. Simple as that. You didn't 'give relations'. That is the weakest excuse I've seen in a while. If anything, all you did was interfere with TBB/CR's b2b2b. I don't need a tinfoil hat to put those pieces together, bruh.

[Aelia Capitolina]

FS is funny. Their super fk'd up way of trying to justify their actions is they hit TBB 7 times right as TBB was leaving fort. 'Giving relations' -- what a joke.

Is this the new normal Bart and their MAP alliance is trying to set?
Under the new world order, hitting into a KD which has no open relations, in range is considered a **** play. Only if that KD is part of Bart's MAP alliance that is.

TBB has hit CR and farmed them earlier this age in a similar manner. The only difference is that Bart was not threatening to intervene for CR's sake against TBB back then. I'm very curious to find out why that was so.

[texn]

There isn't any legitimate reason for you to be continually bashing on TBB, other than to shape the honor charts in the direction that you want them to go. Simple as that. You didn't 'give relations'. That is the weakest excuse I've seen in a while. If anything, all you did was interfere with TBB/CR's b2b2b. I don't need a tinfoil hat to put those pieces together, bruh.

There are some reasons that u can read in this thread :) And it has nothing to do about chart shaping etc. But you have all right to have you're own opinion, sad to say it's wrong doh (yes, im always right).

And no what did we interfere with? Their plunders on CR? Or?

But continue with le puzzle braaaahhhhhhhhh :D

[HerpNDerp]

Is this the new normal Bart and their MAP alliance is trying to set?
Under the new world order, hitting into a KD which has no open relations, in range is considered a **** play. Only if that KD is part of Bart's MAP alliance that is.

TBB has hit CR and farmed them earlier this age in a similar manner. The only difference is that Bart was not threatening to intervene for CR's sake against TBB back then. I'm very curious to find out why that was so.

Is it purely coincidence that FS decides to hit TBB's elves 7 times the tick that they come out of fort? I mean, if FS was actually trying to war, there would have been more than 7 hits (or *gasp* how about communication???) I can't speak to what TBB did earlier this age. That shouldn't really have any impact on what is happening right NOW. The only reason FS is doing this is to help CR out. El fin.

As it stands, I'm an entirely impartial observer, but the lack of logic and critical reasoning is appalling in this thread.

[Aelia Capitolina]

If anything, all you did was interfere with TBB/CR's b2b2b.

Wait a second.
You just admitted that the CR/TBB conflict was NOT resolved.
Not now, NOT during the fort prior to the b2b.

It follows that you admit that Sparta was indeed interfering with an ongoing conflict. That they decided the outcome of the b2b though funding 400m to TBB.
A direct conclusion is you're stating that Sparta and TBB chart shaped to gain said honor through a **** play.

Sounds like you're cheering FS for taking a stand against obvious chartshapers.

Thank you.

[HerpNDerp]

Wait a second.
You just admitted that the CR/TBB conflict was NOT resolved.
Not now, NOT during the fort prior to the b2b.

It follows that you admit that Sparta was indeed interfering with an ongoing conflict. That they decided the outcome of the b2b though funding 400m to TBB.
A direct conclusion is you're stating that Sparta and TBB chart shaped to gain said honor through a **** play.

Sounds like you're cheering FS for taking a stand against obvious chartshapers.

Thank you.

I have no reason to conclude that TBB and CR were going to immediately rematch after their first war. TBB got gold from Sparta -- which has been the subject of hilarious debate because this crap is normal...every single kd has participated in gold for land schemes for a loooooong time -- after their first war with CR. If my memory serves me correctly, CR was the kd that came OOW and waved TBB (I believe there was some terms that CR demanded where they tax TBB's elves for land, TBB declined). So really, I am disputing the fact that Sparta interfered with the relations. CR chose to go for the b2b the first time around, since they weren't content enough with their war win. It's not TBB's fault that they got gold to rebuild. Like we established, that is common play these days.

How many b2b wars that end 1-1 DONT go for a third round? I haven't kept up with the top dogs all that much over the years, but to me (and anyone with a brain) it appeared pretty obvious that CR and TBB were intending to go three rounds ESPECIALLY after CR explored like 15k acres in EOWCF. FS is chart shaping, just like they've always done. It should come as a surprise to literally no one. Still doesn't make your actions any less trash.

[Aelia Capitolina]

Is it purely coincidence that FS decides to hit TBB's elves 7 times the tick that they come out of fort? I mean, if FS was actually trying to war, there would have been more than 7 hits

Is every wave for war begins with more than 7 hits? This is obviously false, many if not most do not. You're not a very competent observer it seems. Hitting into potential enemy UB's seems like a perfectly valid start for a conflict.

I can't speak to what TBB did earlier this age. That shouldn't really have any impact on what is happening right NOW. The only reason FS is doing this is to help CR out.

You've claimed that there is some special standard for FS, that they make the rules. I have proven that statement false as TBB themselves have acted in a similar manner this age, and were not punished as this action is acceptable. Not because it's FS, but in general, as the same standard was applied to when TBB acted this way.

but the lack of logic and critical reasoning is appalling in this thread.

We agree ;) you have much room to improve your """"impartial"""" observation skills.

[Aelia Capitolina]

I have no reason to conclude that TBB and CR were going to immediately rematch after their first war.

Except the fact that the negotiations fell through.
When a cease-fire (CF) fails, there is a conflict. As fire is NOT ceased.
Really down to basic logic man....

[HerpNDerp]

The fact that you are still trying to justify your actions as being 'just' and 'honorable' is hilarious dude. Just admit the fact that you are *still* hitting into TBB because FS has no shot at winning any crown this age, so why not go trash a kd that has been beating up on one of your friendly kds?

Edit: is it the expectation at the top that you CF after a war? Ive been a part of ~30 wars the past 3 or 4 ages, I don't remember CF'ing most of the kds we warred. Then again, we didn't have grudge matches and a bunch of friends/enemies to constantly worry about.

[yuuume]

It is true, one of our guy stole 17k runes in one op.
They used it as an excuse to fully expose 6 rogues from 100 to 20 stealth, and steal milions of gold and runes.

We did not take kindly to it.

Just to clarify, I talked to TBB after the rune stealing happened; I was assured that this was fine and we would continue as is.

[maccar86]

Is it purely coincidence that FS decides to hit TBB's elves 7 times the tick that they come out of fort? I mean, if FS was actually trying to war, there would have been more than 7 hits (or *gasp* how about communication???) I can't speak to what TBB did earlier this age. That shouldn't really have any impact on what is happening right NOW. The only reason FS is doing this is to help CR out. El fin.

As it stands, I'm an entirely impartial observer, but the lack of logic and critical reasoning is appalling in this thread.

FS hit out of fort and into fort

[HerpNDerp]

Is every wave for war begins with more than 7 hits? This is obviously false, many if not most do not. You're not a very competent observer it seems. Hitting into potential enemy UB's seems like a perfectly valid start for a conflict.




You've claimed that there is some special standard for FS, that they make the rules. I have proven that statement false as TBB themselves have acted in a similar manner this age, and were not punished as this action is acceptable. Not because it's FS, but in general, as the same standard was applied to when TBB acted this way.


We agree ;) you have much room to improve your """"impartial"""" observation skills.

I haven't said anything about how 'competent' or 'gudatdisgame' you are, but that is your first line of attack whenever I question your logic? Just because you are using the most circular logic to try and justify ****play doesn't make me incompetent or anything less than impartial. You didn't have any intention of actually warring TBB. You're in it for the free honor and acres since, well, what else do you have to do? You aren't competitive for any crown, so you're deciding to go crap in TBB's cereal. Once again, that's fine and dandy, but stop pretending it's anything else other than what it is.

Edit: Is that so Maccar? Munk shows TBB came out of fort same tick that FS 'gave relations'. Guess you guys went a little early then :/

[Goodwitch]

I have a really hard time believing CR and FS working together. I have been out of the loop a bit though so I may have missed something.
I can see either one of them profiting of the other but collaboration of just those 2 kingdoms without involvement of third parties seems unlikely to me.

[HerpNDerp]

I have a really hard time believing CR and FS working together. I have been out of the loop a bit though so I may have missed something.
I can see either one of them profiting of the other but collaboration of just those 2 kingdoms without involvement of third parties seems unlikely to me.

I guess it is just pure coincidence then that FS continues to pound down TBB's elves while CR and TBB are moving towards max meter. Maybe it is just bad luck with timing and what not. I suppose it is more plausible that FS is simply feeding on TBB, since TBB can't really fight back. But the amount of ignorant justification in this thread just smells funny.