I like the point about how CR did intels on TBB, finds out that TBB is getting GC from somewhere, and still decides to b2b without provocation due to their greediness in negotiating a cf deal. I mean if they had won the first b2b they would surely boast about it a lot but they got whooped. All I can say is serve them right. But the razing into war thingy is uncalled for and by no utopia standard, honorable. Am calling those kds who have CF with FS CR and DIV to judge this and provide a view.
Life isn't binary. But I doubt you are truly capable of understanding that concept.Originally Posted by jacko
Still dodging it lol, after so many days ... You can doubt all that you want, we've never met/knew each other and on the other hand I don't claim to be the owner of the supreme truth. I could be wrong, I just doubt that I am. You have come up with 0(zero) alternatives for A or B.
If I may quote Strato/Bishop : "Correct me then, instead of being a dick about it."
LE : You know what "Ad-hominem" is ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Next time when you're going to use it, at least remember its name.
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Kingdoms have already past judgment Iast i knew. It was a legit 2 vs 1 conflict because TBB made it that way. Divinty made people reconsider but end of the day TBB are complete a**holes. Who cheat, db and are generally bad for utopia. Also don't forget their puppets for the biggest scum bags in utopia. Apparently your a part of them now Spartans. End of the day no one is going to help TBB. Hope they enjoy being green lol.
Question asked was if we did not get the gold to recover from war, would we have declined the harsh terms for CF and declared war?
A: I would have to say no. We would have had to roll over and take it like all kingdoms do when a larger and stronger kingdom wants their honor and acres.
So let me make sure I understand the rules so I don't make the same mistake in the future, and also maybe help others understand them better. "When you lose a war, do not seek aid to help your chained provinces explore and train just in case the winning kingdom decides they want more of your honor and acres. If they do decide they want more, just give it to them no matter how unreasonable their request is." Is that about right?
You see, the problem is not that we traded land for gold, cause it has already been established that many kingdoms do that without retribution. The problem is CR thought they could bully us and get free honor and acres, and they got punched in the mouth. You guys want to support the bully, and not the kingdom that stood up to them, go right ahead. No matter what happens, this age is a success for me because after years of being bullied by larger kingdoms wanting my honor and acres, I finally got to punch a bully in the mouth. AND IT FELT SOOOO GOOOOOD!!!
To FS LS, knowing full well that TBB v CR conflict hasn't ended and still choosing to wave 7x (not even a full wave...weird though), that's very low. I mean any observer can see miles away that CR intends for a b2b2b. If you can truthfully admit that you are unaware (I'm asking FS LS, not peons), that I won't harp on this any further.
From TBB's perspective, I would do the same, i.e. Wave CR who wants a b2b2b (based on CR actions on stealing horses...I mean why steal horses if u don't wanna b2b2b? We can ask master Feint to verify this as he has very high skills in FSU and stealing horses is a sure sign of either a b2b2b or FSU), instead of warring a bigger FS. I'm unaware of the talks but I'm sure TBB knows there's no point in closing relations w FS knowing full well the entire scheme was deliberately concocted. Why not choose the weaker Kd? To those naive ppl, u don't always get to close relations, especially when negotiating with very greedy ppl out there. Also, when you say relations, I would say it's 1-way hostile, i.e. FS giving the meter and TBB at most land lusting to recoup lost acres on their Elves.
No dude, "When you lose a war, do not seek aid to help your chained provinces explore and train just in case you're going to b2b them again". Make sure you're not going to war them again (=diplo) and AFTER THAT you get your gold and explore and whatnot. Get it ? 'Cause if you take the gold, gain the advantage over them and go to war to smash them .... bad sh*t could happen; bad sh*t like that you're experiencing just now.
Besides, you've just admitted that if it weren't for those hundreds of millions of gc, you wouldn't have gone to war no.2; your ww over them was a direct consequence of taking the money. You could not have won without it.
LE : If you took the money for something else than b2b war, why didn't you gave it back when it was obvious you're going to b2b ? Or, why didn't you told them to get an equal amount of gc, to match your "help for chained provinces to explore and train" ? LOL, exactly.
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FYI jacko. U r being too naive. Diplos don't always work out if parties r not willing to give and take
Ok, if I'm naive, then how's Ed ? "Oh, we took the money for completely something else, but hey, they proved to be ok for getting us the win in our b2b war, although we never intended to do that". LMAO.
If CR still chose to wave, what do u expect TBB to do? "oh wait CR, I took heaps of gold from Spartan for rebuild and since you want to wave us, let us first return those GCs we took for rebuild, and then you can come at us. Deal?" I mean, seriously jacko?
Just wondering, which Kd are you in? Or which proxy are you in? However the case applies.
You don't think TBB wanted to b2b? They finished the first war with their elves completely untouched. They were hoping for b2b hence why they didn't accept Cr's terms. They just weren't smart enough to realise the only way cr could win was by engaging right away. Had they know that they could easily have exited eowcf with high hospitals and rebuilt in fort with 1 way ops and retailing just behind Cr. TBB just played it really badly.
BLUE your my boy!
Seriously, this would be the part where I tell something like : "Come on, don't tell me that it never occurred to you that you're in for a b2b ?" .... I have a deja-vu, this has already been said in here, quite a few times. I'm tired of that so I'm not going to repeat such basic stuff; if I'm correct, Matija said that you're supposed to be one of the oldest players in the game. I'm new anyway, but man, let me tell you, with such "arguments" like that from above, you don't really look that old/experienced to me.
And the kd I belong to (or other irrelevant info) has nothing to do with arguments that we bring into a debate. I.e, if we want to, at least, pretend we're in "search of the truth".
Last edited by jacko; 31-10-2016 at 01:54.
You were asked to leave. Not kick. Lol--ed. Seriously you are delusional. But I believe you should be in good hand now with Bart.
Last edited by JusticeLeague; 31-10-2016 at 01:54. Reason: and we just wanted you to leave without us having to raze you out
Cheers Uncle Ed, Im on neither side, I have no preference in this thing between TBB or CR, if I'm being brutally honest, i can see why CR would be pissed off, but i can also see why TBB who are used to war ends, fight ends and both move on, would feel harsh done by.
But for a very long time, the top has used b2b wars unless otherwise agreed beforehand or dealt via CF, to make sure they get the right position and remove a challenge to themselves in the process for at least a good few utopian YR's of the age.
I think TBB made a few major mistakes regarding diplo/choices, its hard to blame FS/CR for the mess, If i was in FS position i would have likely pushed on too until a CF was made, seeing they held all the cards after TBB doubled themselves, FS might have been greedy, but can't blame them for using TBB's mistake to their advantage. (its hard to judge though as i don't know which bits of it, is FS helping with the gc part).
As for TBB getting gc to rebuild, i think majority will say thats perfectly fine, but Bart posted earlier the gc was given to screw CR, in which case Bart at least knew that it would go to B2B or that TBB would use the gc to war CR again. (before CF deal was declined), and that doesn't look too good on TBB unfortunately.
As for Divinity, if what i wrote above is proven to be how things went down, i can imagine more then Divinity would wish to join in and punish that kind of play, whether its purely TBB's fault or not, they are now taking the heat for it, which would also explain why FS is sticking to it.
*Jacko i was making a joke in regards to the "who wants to be a millionaire" sentence that was posted.
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
We farmed TBB the gc for the b2b after we signed off the age with Em. Before the first comflict TBB stole 15M that we owed them for land. CR QQed so we farmed CR the same on condition theyd be lenient in case of a victory allowing us to farm more land of TBB to war Emeriti. CR didnt and for us that was the (dutch) proverbial final drop that flooded the bucket. CR seems to think were their lapdogs. Well. the dog has grown teeth and might bite
Originally Posted by Bart of Sparta
I did it on purpose to cross CR, I never even hid that from anyone. I even publicly discussed this with Blizz in #tactics when he mentioned 100M and I told hik it was at least twice that. They messed with us for the 4th or 5th time over the last 3 ages. Tired of their nonsense and attitude as if they own the world. If it was TBB warring some other ghetto there would be no QQ.
Im sure you can see reading this, that it looks "unfortunate" Uncle Ed.
Last edited by Aranfein; 31-10-2016 at 02:09.
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