#1 vs#2 honor kds

[JusticeLeague]

haha You guys only have 3 wars compared to the 7 that TBB has had.

TBB has 3 only too. Cos you have 4 fake wars. Thus war win removed.

[baka]

To FS LS, knowing full well that TBB v CR conflict hasn't ended and still choosing to wave 7x (not even a full wave...weird though), that's very low. I mean any observer can see miles away that CR intends for a b2b2b. If you can truthfully admit that you are unaware (I'm asking FS LS, not peons), that I won't harp on this any further.

From TBB's perspective, I would do the same, i.e. Wave CR who wants a b2b2b (based on CR actions on stealing horses...I mean why steal horses if u don't wanna b2b2b? We can ask master Feint to verify this as he has very high skills in FSU and stealing horses is a sure sign of either a b2b2b or FSU), instead of warring a bigger FS. I'm unaware of the talks but I'm sure TBB knows there's no point in closing relations w FS knowing full well the entire scheme was deliberately concocted. Why not choose the weaker Kd? To those naive ppl, u don't always get to close relations, especially when negotiating with very greedy ppl out there. Also, when you say relations, I would say it's 1-way hostile, i.e. FS giving the meter and TBB at most land lusting to recoup lost acres on their Elves.

That's just stupid. Even if TBB and CR intends to go b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b for the rest of the age does that mean other kingdoms (not just FS) needs to respect that? They were in range and we wanted a chance to get a war and made the first move. Simple as that.

Had TBB wanted to go B2B2B with CR then sure thing - get a CF done and move on, go have your fun.

When there are no CF's in place between kingdoms it's a free for all - first come first serve. In fact, after coming back after years, I realized there this thing called "arranged war" now that is so completely retarded. When 2 kingdoms have an arranged war, other kingdoms are supposed to respect that and not get involved even without CF's in place?

All TBB ever had to do was approach FS long before they came out of war and negotiate some sort of CF with all potential threats so that they can happily war their desired KD in peace. Not doing so just shows the lack of experience from their leadership and lack of foresight.

The top kd's are the ones with the leadership to see threats and risks long before it can even happen.

[Uncle Ed]

Well, I think I already admitted that I am knew to the Top Tier of kingdoms and their ways. Things were much simpler in my Ghetto Kingdoms. You send out letter to ten monarchs saying, "Hey you want to war?", and one or two would reply. You negotiate, you war, you move on. Did I see the b2b coming? No, because like I said I NEVER waved a kingdom after beating them in war, and I never had a kingdom do it to me. So when you never see something in many years of playing this game, you definately don't see it coming.
I also admitted that I am not a leader in TBB, I am just a soldier. I barely pay attention to the chat on Whatsap, I just follow orders and instructions. Like I said, I did not need much aid to be ready coming oop and I was the smallest in the kingdom. Did the gold give us an advantage over CR? No, it made it an equal and fair fight, and CR, FS and Divinity just were not happy with those results.

Did you see that guys? The Bully got punched in the mouth!

[Uncle Ed]

Baka, read the posts. Noone believes that FS was intending to war TBB. In fact, I don't think they believe that FS wants to war anyone (unless another fake war with ascension). I mean, you only have 3 wars (probably all fake) this entire age, while TBB is in their 8th (most of them are those arranged wars where terms are discussed, acre caps, wave dates set...ever heard of those). The consensus is FS and CR wanted to make TBB pay for whooping CR in war, and Divinity has joined in. The goal was not war, son. It was turning TBB green. 3 down, 22 to go. Keep going bud, you can do it. Your parents will be so proud!

[baka]

I don't speak for the other kd's but FS being happy or unhappy with the the result of 2 kingdoms dogging it out has nothing to do with us waving the only kd in range and without a CF.

However you see it or bend it, the fact of the matter is that if TBB was so ready to go for a B2B2B with CR, then all they had to do was mitigate all surrounding risks by asking KD's without CF's for a CF. It's all about foresight and planning.

If all else fails, war the kd that waves you instead of leaving relations open.

Everything else doesn't even matter - TBB screwed up. I just wish it doesn't demoralize the kd and it comes back with a vengeance.

[baka]

Baka, read the posts. Noone believes that FS was intending to war TBB. In fact, I don't think they believe that FS wants to war anyone (unless another fake war with ascension). I mean, you only have 3 wars (probably all fake) this entire age, while TBB is in their 8th (most of them are those arranged wars where terms are discussed, acre caps, wave dates set...ever heard of those). The consensus is FS and CR wanted to make TBB pay for whooping CR in war, and Divinity has joined in. The goal was not war, son. It was turning TBB green. 3 down, 22 to go. Keep going bud, you can do it. Your parents will be so proud!

Christ, I give up. You're like on crack or just a damn good troll.

[jacko]

"Did the gold give us an advantage over CR? No, it made it an equal and fair fight"

vs.

"Question asked was if we did not get the gold to recover from war, would we have declined the harsh terms for CF and declared war?
A: I would have to say no. We would have had to roll over and take it like all kingdoms do when a larger and stronger kingdom wants their honor and acres. "


Logic fracture detected. Ed, I'm close to your age and it's 4 a.m. here. Still, I think that you should go to bed and take a nap. You need one.

[Aranfein]

Im sure noone is blaming you as a person/player Ed, a good soldiers does what a soldier is asked, especially if they have no interest in the leading side.

The gc might not have assisted you Ed, but your biggest provinces would have needed it to meet EPA/TPA requirements, especially if they had grown beyond what they were before war, a small province with high EPA, requires very little aid, as they will just need to rebuild dspecs/tpa to be ready, but when you need a big bunch of elites/tpa/dspecs + conversion on more expensive raze/rebuild duo to size, it is doubtful your biggest would have made it without that gc, which would then have left CR to farm your top fairly easy, if their own bigs were ready. (I'm looking at it from a strategic point of view).

[JusticeLeague]

Christ, I give up. You're like on crack or just a damn good troll.

I kinda believe what Uncle Ed said is true based on what he knew. But I don't think he is aware of what is happening in the bigger picture. This normally will happen if instruction or order is not from the monarch. It is from another kingdom.

It is just like an army going for Brigade exercise. Will the ground troops be aware of the whole battle plan?

[dscc]

I will quit uto once you're able to finish an age without disbanding your KD <3

KD is not belongs to him 1 person. Same goes to disband, not his 1 person problem. You need both hand to clap. However you only need 1 hand to slap yourself which you always did.

[baka]

I kinda believe what Uncle Ed said is true based on what he knew. But I don't think he is aware of what is happening in the bigger picture. This normally will happen if instruction or order is not from the monarch. It is from another kingdom.

It is just like an army going for Brigade exercise. Will the ground troops be aware of the whole battle plan?

What does he actually "know"? I mean how does he "know" that CR/Divinity will wave in to the war if FS and CR actually went at it? It didn't even happen!

How do you "know" certain things will pan out when it never even happened? All he's doing is making things up!

[Palem]

Y'all need Jesus or something

[Paradise]

I don't speak for the other kd's but FS being happy or unhappy with the the result of 2 kingdoms dogging it out has nothing to do with us waving the only kd in range and without a CF.

However you see it or bend it, the fact of the matter is that if TBB was so ready to go for a B2B2B with CR, then all they had to do was mitigate all surrounding risks by asking KD's without CF's for a CF. It's all about foresight and planning.

If all else fails, war the kd that waves you instead of leaving relations open.

Everything else doesn't even matter - TBB screwed up. I just wish it doesn't demoralize the kd and it comes back with a vengeance.

Somewhere in this thread, it was mentioned that TBB did ask FS for a CF after the b2b ended, but FS declined along with some kinda promise. It might take some time to find it from 56 pages !!

[sUpeRneBU]

Seriously, this would be the part where I tell something like : "Come on, don't tell me that it never occurred to you that you're in for a b2b ?" .... I have a deja-vu, this has already been said in here, quite a few times. I'm tired of that so I'm not going to repeat such basic stuff; if I'm correct, Matija said that you're supposed to be one of the oldest players in the game. I'm new anyway, but man, let me tell you, with such "arguments" like that from above, you don't really look that old/experienced to me.

And the kd I belong to (or other irrelevant info) has nothing to do with arguments that we bring into a debate. I.e, if we want to, at least, pretend we're in "search of the truth".

Not sure what's the relevance of that with how long I've played.

Just brushing my question away cos you don't have a better come-back. How convenient.

[Poopsie]

If CR still chose to wave, what do u expect TBB to do? "oh wait CR, I took heaps of gold from Spartan for rebuild and since you want to wave us, let us first return those GCs we took for rebuild, and then you can come at us. Deal?" I mean, seriously jacko?

I dont think he will accept your challenge. He need meat balls to do that.