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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    15% towers and no mods allows a fireball a tick. I see no reason to reducing rune costs.
    Maybe at 8k acres :D

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    I'd gladly give up the increase in wizard production for rune production bonus. Heck I'd give the increase in wizard production up for no exchange but that's a different subject.

    yes, of course you CAN get enough runes to spell somehow. The thing is that this is making mages almost more trouble than they are worth.
    If experienced mages have trouble managing then just imagine what new players go through. Of course most kingdoms will tell new players right away that it is not a great idea to start as a mage or thief anyway, but a lot of them will not listen, will try anyway , get frustrated and leave.
    The only real defensive option in game is getting hobbled age after age and there are plenty people out there that would much rather play a mage personality than an attacker. Being a support character isn't everybody's cup of tea but those that enjoy that role will try to play it in every game they play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lestat View Post
    Maybe at 8k acres :D
    Actually wrong. I did some math with 15% towers at 100% BE:
    1300a
    FB cost - 2346
    Rune prod - 2340

    1500a
    FB cost - 2550
    Rune prod - 2700

    2000a
    FB Cost - 3060
    Rune prod - 3600.

    Don't tell me you can't have 100% BE this age when science is so easy to get. I still think with this change Bishop wants to encourage growing.

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    No mage have 100% BE that isnt a walking land farm for attackers.

    Im sitting a mystic and it have 60% be atm cause that is how high drafted (75%) it needs to be to be UB. It got 22% towers atm and it takes 2 ticks to get runes for a ms cast which i think is too much. At 25% towers u should make enough for an hourly ms

    Also fb is for attackers, not mystics, so do the calculations for ms on say, a prov with 70% be? That would be more real
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    My BE is 90 on almost the same draft as you have . Your not doing something correctly

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    I have 101 BE at 70% draft(I admit that I'm h/r). You really don't do something correct. This age with 15% pop and 20% BE(you should have them by now) getting 100% BE at 65-70% draft is real.

    Here is the math for MS at 70% BE, 25% towers including mystic's rune production bonus:


    1100a
    MS cost - 3427
    Rune production - 3465

    1300a
    MS cost - 3754
    Rune production - 4094

    1500a
    MS cost - 4080
    Rune production - 4725

    2000a
    MS cost - 4896
    Rune production - 6300
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    I'm thinking they have to be lacking science or homes or both

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo To View Post
    I have 101 BE at 70% draft(I admit that I'm h/r). You really don't do something correct. This age with 15% pop and 20% BE(you should have them by now) getting 100% BE at 65-70% draft is real.

    Here is the math for MS at 70% BE, 25% towers including mystic's rune production bonus:


    1100a
    MS cost - 3427
    Rune production - 3465

    1300a
    MS cost - 3754
    Rune production - 4094

    1500a
    MS cost - 4080
    Rune production - 4725

    2000a
    MS cost - 4896
    Rune production - 6300
    You all take about Mystics only need X amounts of towers to cast FB. FB is not the primary spell you want your Mystics to cast, and it is a cheap spell. You want them to blanket MS and have the option to LL etc.
    In a longer war your BE most likely drops, Especially if you suffer hits. One of our experienced mystics needed 40% towers after a couple of days in war, and still did not produce enough runes..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burzum View Post
    You all take about Mystics only need X amounts of towers to cast FB. FB is not the primary spell you want your Mystics to cast, and it is a cheap spell. You want them to blanket MS and have the option to LL etc.
    In a longer war your BE most likely drops, Especially if you suffer hits. One of our experienced mystics needed 40% towers after a couple of days in war, and still did not produce enough runes..
    You realize the post he quotes is for MS? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korp View Post
    You realize the post he quotes is for MS? :P
    Yeah but if I can't cast land lust every tick with 12% towers what's the point?

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    The rune production does need to be fixed. At the lower end of the 800 acre range, with average BE and 24% towers... and still not cranking out more than 2k runes a tick is a bit useless as a TM. That's basically a single fireball a tick, even though I generate enough mana for more than 1 a tick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximII View Post
    The rune production does need to be fixed. At the lower end of the 800 acre range, with average BE and 24% towers... and still not cranking out more than 2k runes a tick is a bit useless as a TM. That's basically a single fireball a tick, even though I generate enough mana for more than 1 a tick.
    Based on some of Bishops comments, it seems part of the intent of the change is to encourage you to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azureflames View Post
    Based on some of Bishops comments, it seems part of the intent of the change is to encourage you to grow.
    Yep it is because then you don't need as much %.

    Not sure what you guys are working on (maybe just not pumping proper), but I'm Fae/Rogue 83% BE (max science and 25% homes) 4ppa on 1k acres. 23% towers gives me 2200 runes per tick (FB is around 2100). That's not enough (taking into account all factors). I have 50% mana and no runes, I assume I need about 40% towers (at this size) to use full mana on casting FB's constant.

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    Something has to be scarce.

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    First off, promoting growth wont help because rune cost scales with size.

    Secondly, making the one thing in the game that determines the usefulness of a province scarce is just stupid. Why arent horses scarce? How about prisoners? Nope. We're going to make runes scarce so that TM's, yet again, have trouble doing their job.

    Third, it is confusing as to why wizzie production replaced rune production, but then rune production was not boosted elsewhere. That is like making gas harder to come by, but making cars cheaper to buy. One is useless without the other. Currently, it is so grossly unbalanced that people are sitting around with left over mana because there are no runes to speak of. Tm's are running over 20% towers and cant meet the demand... I cant even imagine what a hybrid is doing... or even an attacker just trying to keep up self spells.

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