-wSk- vs CR

[citadela01]

I think giving someone extra acres after a conflict to help that kingdom compete vs someone else is farming / chart shaping. I would never make such a deal myself. I personally like to win my acres by fighting for it and owning my enemies rather than arranged farming.

While that deal was pretty stupid, its not worse than taxing for land which is something emeriti regularly do.
I'd argue ethically taxing is way worse, yet its common practice.

[JusticeLeague]

So is WSK giving up 30% of their acres to CR as per stated in the so called deal before their war? That is a lot. 0.3*139,436 =41830
But that still will put CR around 25k acres behind Emeriti (not including explore pool).
But imagine if the acres are all put on CR 7k-10k provinces, they will have like 10 super strong calves, should be able to overrun emeriti cow @20k, 18k, 17k, 16k

What a pity, because WSK owned the 2 biggest cows in server now.

[Proteus]

Is that all you got no crown for you Proteus? Is that like supposed to hurt our feelings? Did you miss the part about the fat chicks etc + crown /era?

Heck start a thread now about the almighty 3 peat and give yourself a pat on the back, but post in that thread from now on lol.

Heck here you /CP pats Proteus on the back... lol

If you do a post search for me you will see what I think of crowns in this era. the last competitive era of utopia ended when Abs retired from the game, every crown won since then has not been as competitive as before.

I came back to the game to play with old friends, I was retired for a few years and Binar had invited me back to play so I decided to join. My reasons for playing are really 1) play with friends, 2) beat up on people I don't like and talk smack to them. I've "been there and done that" as far as leading a top kd (as the monarch, not a council person unlike some of the cocky guys in CR) and winning crowns goes so I don't really care.

I do know that CR decided to try to try this age after an age of relaxing to prevent us from winning again so it gives me extra pleasure to talk smack to the ego heads in there. Got nothing against you personally CP, take it easy man.

[Proteus]

While that deal was pretty stupid, its not worse than taxing for land which is something emeriti regularly do.
I'd argue ethically taxing is way worse, yet its common practice.

CR actually started the taxing thing, if one kingdom does it, the others who are CFed do it to keep up and not fall behind. When Emeriti has taken acres for cf it has been in lieu of a fight as the other kingdom prefers to not have their time & resources wasted and their military kill so would rather give up some land to CF / EOA cf rather than losing more land in a conflict. Taking acres for cf is something everyone does but CR has been more blatant / arrogant in their taxing and has demanded more acres from its victims (i.e. 25% of land) in addition to asking for clauses such as "you must give us 1.5x what you give our opponents".

On the other hand, the only two instances I have ever seen of deals such as "loser must give winner and extra X% of land so winner can have a chance to fight X kd of crown" has been this age with this deal and between FS and The U 2 ages ago when FS beat the U handily in war and gained a lot and demanded that the U give acres on top to FS as the U had owned Emeriti acres for a prior deal (Emeriti cf'ed the U and let them war kd of their choice instead of noticing and fighting them in exchange for 7.5k land). I think these deals are really lame and on the same level as organized farming.

So is WSK giving up 30% of their acres to CR as per stated in the so called deal before their war? That is a lot. 0.3*139,436 =41830
But that still will put CR around 25k acres behind Emeriti (not including explore pool).
But imagine if the acres are all put on CR 7k-10k provinces, they will have like 10 super strong calves, should be able to overrun emeriti cow @20k, 18k, 17k, 16k

What a pity, because WSK owned the 2 biggest cows in server now.

I dont believe this is happening. Had CR attempted it, they would still end up farmed.

[Palem]

CR actually started the taxing thing

It was Pyro. They just didn't call it taxing.

[StratOcastle]

It was Pyro. They just didn't call it taxing.

Just 2 kids running wild, but the rest of you ruined it. Is it a crime that kingdoms from different sides of the street fall in love?

Pyro filled the empty acres in those war kingdoms lives.

[Crazy Pete]

I've also decided to play with a few freinds this age I was in a ghetto for a year or so and a couple of guys asked me to join so I did. I was a little surprised that Zauper wasn't there but I enjoy the social aspect of the game and I think that's a common theme for most of the older players around.

I actually though Emereti was on island five and tripled them OOP, and a couple more hits :p I tried to teach the ghetto KD I played about taking pot shots at top kingdoms and how to discourage farming and taxation when they were vulnerable so I feel as though the last year was my portion of trying to improve the game for the little guys. They were a great bunch of guys who I only ever heard of one guy but became friends with the rest. When I get sick of the political position of the game I'll probably return to play with them again.


There has always been and always will be taxation of acres in the game whether it's a set amount of acres or the percent of land a kingdom has it's just part of the game. its up to the kingdoms that are targeted to decide if the timing is right to tell these kingdoms to piss off.

[Crunch]

It was definitely well fought, and in a lot of ways you guys outplayed them. But the war was lost. Yes, you withdrew up acres...But you lost and the flow of acres was going to start going the other way.

At 4:11 pm my time (like 2 ticks pre WD?) CR had 777k peons, with 12 provs over 38k and 100k peons on a prov with 6.5 rwpa. WSK had 255k with 0 provs above 30k, and only 5 at 20k+ (1 dwarf and 4 fae I think). This is as opposed to 12:54 my time, where CR had 735k peons vs WSK 247k.

Did you outperform them? Yes. Did they win? Also yes.

what's really impressive and all anyone will remember from this war is that coss basically took a mediocre ghetto and with his leadership out maneuvered, out performed and gained on your larger so called super kd.

[Lestat]

Bold, bold statements

[Band of Horses]

what's really impressive and all anyone will remember from this war is that coss basically took a mediocre ghetto and with his leadership out maneuvered, out performed and gained on your larger so called super kd.

I'll still remember the 3v4 bank battle where Godly beat Coss and Sleepy. This bank battle was far less surprising than that one. No offense to the people in CR but they aren't the super kingdom that they used to be. Without the Holy Trinity + Zaup & Wuzi, are they really even CR anymore? Seems more like TFC ;)

[2Utopian]

It was Pyro. They just didn't call it taxing.

They modernized it for lack of a better word but they did not create it. You give cj and nesta waaaaaay too much credit. They were the new kids on the block and couldn't get the kind of back room deals the established kingdoms were getting so they opened it up to the world in order to compete.

[Judge]

If you don't need to cheat in order to win, why do you need to cause your opponents to run into OOPS messages constantly? Bishop confirmed this to have happened to the kingdoms you fought. Is it a coincidence? Doubt it.

If you don't need to cheat in order to win, why do you need to cause your opponents to run into OOPS messages constantly? Bishop confirmed this to have happened to the kingdoms you fought. Is it a coincidence? Doubt it.

Even with my differences with a couple of current Emeriti leaders, I know for a fact that NONE of the current leadership will support any sort of cheating that someone like you is claiming.

[Judge]

I came back to the game to play with old friends, I was retired for a few years and Binar had invited me back to play so I decided to join. My reasons for playing are really 1) play with friends, 2) beat up on people I don't like and talk smack to them. I've "been there and done that" as far as leading a top kd (as the monarch, not a council person unlike some of the cocky guys in CR) and winning crowns goes so I don't really care.

Fact Correction Boi!! - It was me who got your name as a suggestion and asked Binar to get in touch with you! So technically you are in Emeriti cos of me!

[Bart of Sparta]

I think giving someone extra acres after a conflict to help that kingdom compete vs someone else is farming / chart shaping. I would never make such a deal myself. I personally like to win my acres by fighting for it and owning my enemies rather than arranged farming. And ya I overlooked the binding lockout for 72h. To me it sounded like you would take it in war (you don't wave a kd for 30% their land OOW with gbp) and then pump in eow cf on it.

So you deny force-taking another 12K (bank) land after your war with BB last age to beat us and win the age?

[Meep]

Even with my differences with a couple of current Emeriti leaders, I know for a fact that NONE of the current leadership will support any sort of cheating that someone like you is claiming.

Based on my past interactions with the people I know of in emeroti leadership I agree. Absent more significant proof I wish this accusation would die. A lot of heresay going around.