-wSk- vs CR

[StratOcastle]

You are joking, right? Emeriti dodged Panda by noticing Pyro (that notice alone wasn't perfectly fair to begin with, let alone it was used to dodge Panda) because you were at disadvantage. Stop being such a ****ing liar. I see old habits die hard :))

You can't appreciate this form of art? I'm not sure about the facts, but it's the rhetoric I find amusing.

Just for me, let Aquaseafoam make his statements and react just a little more like a bull in a china shop. ;-)

All portions of the community are interesting in their own way. This is what makes the top interesting.

[JusticeLeague]

You can't appreciate this form of art? I'm not sure about the facts, but it's the rhetoric I find amusing.

Just for me, let Aquaseafoam make his statements and react just a little more like a bull in a china shop. ;-)

All portions of the community are interesting in their own way. This is what makes the top interesting.

Top refer to? Top 100 also considered top?

[Proteus]

I don't have a spectacular memory like some guys like Zauper so excuse me if I can't remember all of the details.

One of HoH age we crowned I can't remember if it was the age that Rage won networth and HoH won land I think. Rage had an EOA CF with Melee Weapons leaders name was lead pipe or something, Rage had farmed them pretty bad prior.

I was playing one of our killers and things were very tense Proteus was saying how lucky we were etc to have good relations with Absalom. Anyways alls I see is Proteus (I assume) the Co-Monarch in my news both them and us had war spoils and each was looking for a last minute acre grab to get over the top. Luckily Proteus Co-Monarch was taken away by someone so the peace was kept between HoH and Rage. Rage broke the EOA CF with MW and started to hit them last tick of the game, so we also broke our CF which with MW and hit them. Rage got 6-8k more acres than us but we managed to hold onto Land crown.

This is an example of taking things through force any means necessary I suppose, next age MW disbanded. After the age Kygal and a bunch of us wanted to start making our own deals separate from absalom. Proteus was quite angry is what I heard ( I never was on Absalom Council channel/leadership) and clarified that our agreement wasn't a NAP, it was a MAP , Mutual Agression Pact so we had no choice in the matter.

After that 10 of us quit HoH because we didn't want to continue with the MAP with Absalom and obviously if we did continue HoH without the MAP Absalom would have hunted us down. Takeshi , I like say Tak3**** came back to HoH and took over as Rave retired. So as you can see I don't put much weight into HoH crowns as we had 4 kingdoms blocking etc for each other which to me doesn't represent skill, it signifies bullies.

Everybody and kingdom has their own style of play and that is what makes the game interesting, so I say each to his own. I don't think there is one kingdom in this game that plays seriously that hasn't done something bad, some worse than others.

CP after being allied with HOH for many ages I did not think it was in our best interest (my personal opinion). I believe at the time that Abs and HOH had made a deal, that agreement was necessary as Abs and Non-Abs was relatively balanced with the number of kingdoms each side had and non-Abs would take some very aggressive actions against Abs and be willing to push the envelope when it came to fair play (I would know as I played in non-Abs).

I don't want to get into this long argument from stuff that happened from 30+ ages ago and derail this thread but will respond some as you kinda called me out here. If you like we can discuss this further on irc, you seem reasonable enough to understand others' POV. When I was in Abs non-Abs leaders specifically told me on multiple occasions that they preferred HOH to win over Abs and would be willing to shape charts to make that happen given 1) they thought HOH winning was a "non-Abs crown" also saw it as a way to defeat their enemies that age, 2) though it would cause tension within Abs, 3) wanted to prevent certain kingdoms from winning.

On two specific occasions had Rage earned a dominant #1 lead and had beaten non-Abs kingdoms one by one during the age to earn #1 and had been #1 within a very short time to go until age was over until some non-Abs kd decided to war HOH and farm out to cause chart shaping. The leaders of these kingdoms admitted doing this to me via pm. The first time was when Rage was #1 and Simians tripled noticed Rage, Sanc, HOH. Rage had a massive lead over Sanc/HOH and allowed Simians to retract notice and stay out of the mess. Sanc had hit Simians and then Simians decided to hit HOH. Sanc did a wave on Simians. After that Simians deliberately farmed out to HOH and stopped doing traditional march in war. That was a crown that we should have never lost.

The second age that you allude, Rage was again #1 with a big lead. The prior age Rage and BB had fought 3 times in one age with floggers open goal of blocking us from crowning. At EOA BB was 100k smaller than HOH. We discussed potentially noticing BB but knew they would just block us and raze back, etc and we wouldn't gain from it (meter maxing was much harder in those ages than it was now). But then I see flogger and HOH max meter with each other and go to war from such a size disadvantage full well knowning that BB has zero chance to win. What else would be the purpose of that fight than shape the charts? In all of my conversations with flogger over the years he always told he preferred HOH to win and would enable it if he could.

I do not like that your post, CP does not mention that we were #1 most age and had been bigger than HOH until some kingdom that was significantly smaller and had no business fighting a top3 kd decided to war you. Why do you think you won land but not Nw, because the fight happened last minute. Had the fight happened earlier (and not a chart shape) you'd have time to pump the land and win NW as well.

So yes in situations like that I want to fight you to protect that my kingdom rightfully deserves where we are #1 throughout the age despite fierce opposition and through warring other in-range enemy kds.

Also the last part, in all of my time in Abs I never really seen HOH engage and fight top enemy kingdoms proactively to beat them the way that Abs would. HOH has never really fought against BB who was a big time abs enemy or any of Elit's kingdoms. It was always Rage or Sanc that needed to war and beat these kingdoms. HOH did not fight Fratzia the age they had a full DW sage kd and beat Rage and Sanc in fights and Fratzia won that age. The age Trollfags and Flogger joined BIO to give them a crown (BIO would use run avian wd from war up land strategy) Rage and Fury/Havoc had already fought Bio 1x each. HOH had never fought them and when I asked ravenant if he plans to fight Bio he replied "yes, after Rage does" even though we had already fought them 1x already.

I think you need to be in the channels and know what's going on. I believe HOH won 3 crowns in the 60's ages. Honestly though 2/3 of those were due to chart shape and Rage was #1 throughout the age and at EOA until 1) Simians chart shaped by deliberately farming out , 2) BB warred HOH from a position of being 100k smaller. the equivalence of this in a present age would be Emeriti being #1 for the majority of this age and having a big lead after our war with Bb and then someone decides to go war WSK/CR towards the end and gives them a ton of land and puts them over Emeriti and too late in age for us to hit them.

[Band of Horses]

So you're saying rage got the farm out earlier? Because Emeriti certainly got a farm out this age to be #1. And let's not forget the farm out they accepted from Chrystal in the age they lost oop got pity cfs and leap frogged BB and Anry from the Chrystal free farm.

I'd love to have seen the outrage by Emeriti if cr had got the farm out from bb.

[Proteus]

So you're saying rage got the farm out earlier? Because Emeriti certainly got a farm out this age to be #1. And let's not forget the farm out they accepted from Chrystal in the age they lost oop got pity cfs and leap frogged BB and Anry from the Chrystal free farm.

I'd love to have seen the outrage by Emeriti if cr had got the farm out from bb.

We offered BB a free extension which they declined. They lie goal was to beat us and win the age, not shape the charts. It's pretty insulting to bb to compare them to Sinians who deliberately wanted to farm out

[Band of Horses]

We offered BB a free extension which they declined. They lie goal was to beat us and win the age, not shape the charts. It's pretty insulting to bb to compare them to Sinians who deliberately wanted to farm out

If their name wasn't bb the outrage would have been insane. If you weren't the recipient you'd be enraged. Probably would have said the farmer had to raze off x acres. Can you name a larger % land given in war the last 10 ages?

And back to that Emeriti crown after farming the U, I know you didn't play there that age because you and bin lost conflict to Anry as pew. But the kd still took a farm out to get ahead.

[Binar]

player3 has entered the game. what will happen now?

[Crazy Pete]

In Regards to Simians if you looked at the first potion of the war they were extremely active army in and out. Anri ingame war forum posts were you'll never crown we will hunt you down etc etc typical Anri stuff. After that their morale fell off as we started to pull away and it became ugly.

We had to win via the auto WD which at that time was your opponent had to be 50% your networth for 1 week, which in Anris mind was a stall tactic to prevent the crown. After the fact to save face he said we inentionally farmed out. So I can't remember how long the war was I want to say 2 weeks and during that time Rage didn't find enough acres whoring or warring pure and simple.

I would agree that HoH got crowns through diplomacy rather than big fights like Rage. We had good relations with most kingdoms because of how we treated people and I would give Kygal the credit for one or two of those crowns. I think you and others criticized Elit and AMA for thee same issue of loosing through diplomacy, I think AMA kingdom was clearly the best kingdom on the server and we all backed up Elits decisions even though it was a diplomatic dictatorship :p

[AquaSeaFoam]

Is Ravenant still around?

Not as far as I'm aware.

You are joking, right? Emeriti dodged Panda by noticing Pyro (that notice alone wasn't perfectly fair to begin with, let alone it was used to dodge Panda) because you were at disadvantage. Stop being such a ****ing liar. I see old habits die hard :))

Emeriti also warred Pyro the age before in an unwinnable position despite having potential dodge options. It was Emeriti taking that sure loss war that resulted in Pyro not dodging Emeriti the next age when Emeriti dodged a much larger (20%? more?) pandas.

They've warred BB at least twice from significantly smaller positions (15% and 10% smaller) after BB noticed them (and Emeriti gained large amounts of land winning those wars). They waved Wsk into their fort this age when Wsk had untouchable cows and 60% more acres (16k vs 26k) and lost. There are more examples too. I'm not claiming they prefer to fight from a disadvantage; they don't. But there are plenty of fights they have taken vs top kingdoms at a disadvantage and mostly they've done quite well in them even if they haven't won them all.

So you're saying rage got the farm out earlier? Because Emeriti certainly got a farm out this age to be #1. And let's not forget the farm out they accepted from Chrystal in the age they lost oop got pity cfs and leap frogged BB and Anry from the Chrystal free farm.

I'd love to have seen the outrage by Emeriti if cr had got the farm out from bb.

Emeriti thought they had a cf agreement with Crystal when Crystal pumped up and waved Emeriti who was sitting on very low military and pump builds. Crystal took down all of Emeriti's cows. Emeriti tried to cf Crystal after being surprise attacked asking for only half of the acres back and eoa cf (would still be down a lot of cow land) but Crystal refused. Having no other options, Emeriti warred Crystal and ended up gaining a large upper core (with no more cows) that helped them secure the age. Emeriti was already on #1 land prior to Crystal's surprise attack on them so it's a bit disingenuous to claim this let them leap frog anyone (they had already passed everyone before it.)

As for BB this age, Emeriti tried to extend cf with BB since Emeriti's cf was up with PI first. BB refused, worried that Emeriti would farm out PI (indeed, they would have.) Instead, BB and PI made a deal to cancel their existing term cf to quick war each other to dodge Emeriti. Of course Emeriti, whose cf was now up with both PI and BB, was going to take the winner of that war after that. Emeriti was in good position to force more acres from BB after that war (had time and ability) but didn't force any.

[nickey]

player3 has entered the game. what will happen now?

Who's kd is clash royale? And why are they attacking wsk now?

[Crazy Pete]

Oh and I want to say we gained something like 72k acres. Emereti gained huge acres against BB this age in very similar circumstances so how is this different ?

[MyNameIsMatija]

Sooo... if WSK war Clash Royale does this mean Emeriti can notice CR in time?
What does Clash Royal have to gain from this move besides doing a favor to Emeriti?

[Binar]

CR did a sparta and gave up yesterday. +1 for conspiracy theory though

[Meep]

Sooo... if WSK war Clash Royale does this mean Emeriti can notice CR in time?
What does Clash Royal have to gain from this move besides doing a favor to Emeriti?

we EOACF'd out of the crown race a while ago.

[MyNameIsMatija]

OMG

We should totally like war each other now!