-wSk- vs CR

[AquaSeaFoam]

Sure. But you didn't want to fight BB, you wanted to CF BB and farm the weakest kingdom. At no point did you want to fight the strongest kingdom. Heck you didn't want to fight the 4th strongest kingdom.

the whole point is the "smart" thing is the "lame" thing. Yes its smart to farm ghettos the hardest. But it doesn't make you a great "strategist"

I think you're oversimplifying things. PI was right there in the pack until early YR3. They were within a few k acres of Emeriti when their cf was nearing notice time and they warred Gods in the war that CR hit Gods into. After PI won that war, Emerit's cf with PI up. Emeriti asked BB for a cf extension so they could afford to give PI an extension to give them more time to prepare for war. BB refused.

Emeriti then considered extending PI to fight BB first, but CR's cf with PI would be expired by then and so Emeriti worried about CR farming them. Emeriti told PI if they could get a CR extension, Emeriti could extend them. CR wouldn't extend PI so Emeriti felt they couldn't afford to either.

BB and PI then made a deal to war, despite their in place cf deal, to dodge Emeriti. Emeriti stayed out despite no cf/notice in place with PI and let the war take place while sitting and waiting for the winner. After the war, BB was on #1 land and left post war early to surprise attack emeriti before they were ready, but it wasn't enough.

I don't think you can really fault Emeriti for who they fought when you consider all the details.

Edit: Also, in defense of PI, they had already won 2 top wars this age by that time including one vs Sparta. They were in a bad position, but it's not fair to imply they couldn't compete in the top.

(fixed locs)

[MyNameIsMatija]

No locs.

Go to sleep people.

[flogger]

I think you're oversimplifying things. PI was right there in the pack until early YR3. They were within a few k acres of Emeriti when their cf was nearing notice time and they warred gods in the war that CR hit gods into. After PI won that war, Emerit's cf with PI up. Emeriti asked BB for a cf extension so they could afford to give PI an extension to give them more time to prepare for war. BB refused.

Emeriti then considered extending PI to fight BB first, but CR's cf with PI would be expired by then and so Emeriti worried about CR farming them. Emeriti told PI if they could get a CR extension, Emeriti could extend them. CR wouldn't extend PI so Emeriti felt they couldn't afford to either.

BB and PI then made a deal to war, despite their in place cf deal, to dodge Emeriti. Emeriti stayed out despite no cf/notice in place with PI and let the war take place while sitting and waiting for the winner. After the war, BB was on #1 land and left post war early to surprise attack emeriti before they were ready, but it wasn't enough.

I don't think you can really fault Emeriti for who they fought when you consider all the details.

Edit: Also, in defense of PI, they had already won 2 top wars this age by that time including one vs Sparta. They were in a bad position, but it's not fair to imply they couldn't compete in the top.

There was a time before PI was around the same size as the main 4, correct? Cause I think that's when I proposed my "tournament" idea in some thread.

In most ages I generally prefer my idea rather than just racing to farm out people, as it allows people to compete without literally everyone being annoyed at everyone else's moves. It just requires the few leaders left to go along with it and you probably end up with a much better game. That's why I don't have an inherent problem with a 2 vs 3 deal.

But getting 4 utopians to agree about anything together is probably a bit too much to ask. Maybe y'all like it the way it is, there's a reason you're all playing and I'm not ;p

[brandonc204]

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[A-hole]

wSk vs Clash Royale

interesting....

[flogger]

Curious - Who does win faery sage vs human sage, is it close or does one side have a big advantage, I haven't thought/looked into it. Assume both on max sci. Given the age is over for most part, its free to discuss.

[AquaSeaFoam]

There was a time before PI was around the same size as the main 4, correct? Cause I think that's when I proposed my "tournament" idea in some thread.

In most ages I generally prefer my idea rather than just racing to farm out people, as it allows people to compete without literally everyone being annoyed at everyone else's moves. It just requires the few leaders left to go along with it and you probably end up with a much better game. That's why I don't have an inherent problem with a 2 vs 3 deal.

But getting 4 utopians to agree about anything together is probably a bit too much to ask. Maybe y'all like it the way it is, there's a reason you're all playing and I'm not ;p

CR was out front after Emeriti and Wsk warred. Behind them was wsk, bb, and Emeriti, with PI also close. Before their Gods war, PI was 52k acres, CR 58k, wsk 54k, Emeriti 57.4k, BB 53.5k. Each kingdoms acres could vary back and forth a few k acres based on pool usage timing, etc.

P.S. Remove the locs in the post of mine you quoted.

[StratOcastle]

Curious - Who does win faery sage vs human sage, is it close or does one side have a big advantage, I haven't thought/looked into it. Assume both on max sci. Given the age is over for most part, its free to discuss.

I'll take the 3-headed monster with redundant spell defense and damage bonus, faery. Humans won't be as good in hostile which is a huge factor. That's is, in a vacuum with even nw.

Human can grow and take marching damage like nobodies business but they need acres which opens them to ops/sabotage. They can't equal faery on sabotage vs CS and 40% damage bonus. Good thing is sage can't cast NM/blizzard or AW which would really screw humans. Scientist are deep so I'd imagine the amnesia/abduct is possibly worthless. This will work on orc warrior since CR reportedly could 2-3 tap the orcs and thus march for acres on spare taps.

Faery gets the usual: RM, GP, mp, TownWatch, animate dead, CS, FG, etc. If they can land the offensive stuff after defense spells then there's some motion in that ocean. Massacre is a possible solution to long term abuse: offense for faery and defensively for humans.

Now that doesn't mean humans don't have great capability. I can't experiment with homes pump like up top, but humans can draft really deep because of their income bonus. I went through almost an entire war on emergency draft, 200% wages that lasted longer than CR vs Wsk. I'd imagine Emeriti has solved this equation. And when humans are fat and runes are low they can be nearly invincible. I withstood concerted NM, NS and triple to quad marches and bounced back quickly.

[flogger]

I'll take the 3-headed monster with redundant spell defense and damage bonus, faery. Humans won't be as good in hostile which is a huge factor. That's is, in a vacuum with even nw.

Hard to imagine anyone with -66% losses being bad in hostile.

Faeries probably super short on runes to really keep all those self-spells up now that science doesn't boost rune production and in a CR vs Emeriti fight I'd imagine both being around 50% BE.

I'd also imagine faeries would burn away their TPA rather quickly trying to thieve fellow sages.

[Proteus]

Curious - Who does win faery sage vs human sage, is it close or does one side have a big advantage, I haven't thought/looked into it. Assume both on max sci. Given the age is over for most part, its free to discuss.

I think fae anything is not really strong, just look at CR vs WSK, having static off and def is really crippling.

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I think fae anything is not really strong, just look at CR vs WSK, having static off and def is really crippling.

Yet CR still won by getting lots of UBs and econ. Its not strong in a 2 day war, sure. Pretty strong in a 2 week one I'd think.

Most war kingdoms (and even you in the past after re-reading some of the age 53 bio win age stuff) would claim "victory" by just having lots of UB faeries who didn't gain land. I'd happily withdraw with 20% of someone's land if it got me a crown. I even think Pyro pulled off the only (to my knowledge) withdraw then BB win the 2nd war since WW bonuses were implemented in the top move. Just took 3 weeks of my life and 3 years off my life to pull off.

[handofthrawn]

I would pick dwarf sage over human or faery.

[astron]

Can we get back to topic ? Word on the street is that Clash Royale (feint/gurch) deal broke wSk and jumped into the frey. Some argued that there was no CF, so what is it ?

CR raze waved wSk into their war with Clash Royale because the conflict was not closed. No one wants to hear 20 age old stories, go get your own thread.

[handofthrawn]

That's low BS honestly, I guess CR wants to be dirt bags like Spartans. Maybe there both CR? I mean you wonder why war kingdoms never grow. Lol

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CR raze waved wSk into their war with Clash Royale because the conflict was not closed.

Anyone who cares about playing in the top in future ages would never do this if they knew what they were doing. Why create enemies in an age where you have no shot at winning for no reason? Just a complete waste of political capital.

You had a war you fought and you won, what's the point of forcing a b2b? Save your grudge matches for situations that matter.