This thread seems to indicate we lost only to Rage, post #16Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
This thread seems to indicate we lost only to Rage, post #16
You definitely wd up land vs Rage.
There was no ww bonus back then so even if you were winning other wars and could have gotten the ww you might have still wd up land to maximize avian speed while avoiding the problems with their sustainability. I had thought you were 0/4 and crowned and that was part of the reason the ww bonus was implemented to make winning more important rather than just gaining land quickly and exiting war.
Edit: You didn't link at the time of this edit, but ok you must be right then?
Last edited by AquaSeaFoam; 09-02-2017 at 21:31.
It's different because BB did not do any learns / plunders. A top kd did not wave Bb first prior to them fighting Emeriti killing massive military.
BB's cow did not go inactive and starve (wasn't breakable prior to this happening) due to loss of morale which resulted in massive land swings (remember cows were 50k+ back then).
Prior to war with Bb Emeriti/CR were very close to each other in acres, the war put Emeriti on top rather than take a kd that had very low chance to win at EOA and put them in a winning position. Rage was significantly higher than #2/3 Sanc and HOH with over a 20k land lead and it was very late in the age. Also keep in mind HOH was not even supposed to fight Simians, Sanc was. Sanc had initiated on Simians first and it was only after that where Simians waved HOH...there were no other targets for you.
Anri fully admitted to what he was doing both in forums and in game, very public knowledge.
Lastly, comparing caliber of Bb to Simians is laughable.
Trying to call that a legitimate crown is really an insult to the intelligence of this community, you're better than this.
The thing about that age that upset me the most was that after I was planning surprise b2b on Bio and pumped very hard in eow using homes. Bio was caught off guard and did not train much. We came out and started robbing your GC and starting a few hits and then Inzzolence led by prot immediately waved us to block the b2b.
I remember you guys doing the WD thing vs another kingdom or two. Maybe you didn't do it to HOH (that was the kd you farmed the hardest).
this might be the first time my memory was better than yours
http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...vs.-HoH/page12
February 1 of YR10 HaLL of Heroes HOSTILE (x:x) has withdrawn from war. Our people rejoice at our victory!
It looks like they did intra themselves for about 10k to try and help the cause, probably cost us some of the acres
<baka> Total attacks made: 379 (132,802 acres)
<baka> -- Traditional march: 372 (131,183 acres)
<baka> -- Ambush: 5 (1,619 acres)
<baka> -- Failed: 2 (0.5% failure)
<baka> -- Uniques: 131
<baka> Total attacks suffered: 254 (101,075 acres)
<baka> -- Traditional march: 210 (100,531 acres)
<baka> -- Ambush: 2 (544 acres)
<baka> -- Failed: 42 (16.5% failure)
<baka> -- Uniques: 142
<baka> ** The kingdom of BIO **
<baka> Total land exchanged: +31,727 (379/254)
<baka> hostile+war
Good time to show a summary as both kingdoms have just finished their waves. We're only 28 hours into war, so some good action still left to go.
As for the last few ages we won I disagree that it wasn't strategic planning, each age was really dynamic with different situations to navigate.
First crown started with our OOP strategy and setup that really let us take off relative to others and be well positioned at each cf expiration which mainly resulted in getting acres in lieu of fighting (not our preference).
Second age Not Pandas had a really strong setup due to their early war win while we failed to secure an early war when virtually all of our competitors had found one. We ended up losing some acres early in a wave from Non Pandas and had a war with Green I believe 24h after who was pumping in fort the entire time. By most accounts looking at the military numbers of both kds going in, most would expect us to lose. Jdorje and I really needed to bring it that war to turn things around and ended up gaining acres / regaining position. Then when our cf with Bb expired we were 10% smaller, Orc vs avian and BB had a cow advantage of avian vs human. We had to pull off some really sick **** in our prep to change the game there which Bb did not expect.
This age again we had to navigate against a really super strong early age starting setup in WSK who we fought from a significant size disadvantage and managed a situation where we gained land from pre-war / war and WSK grew from WW bonus. After that we were navigating PI/BB situation but Bb forced our hand by taking our target which resulted in this outcome.
To say it was easy and primarily entailed bottom feeding all age is a big understatement.
I'm personally not a huge fan of getting bigger than others to just sit back and let them catch up, that's a big waste of time to get big in the first place. Getting bigger than others is also a function of better strategy / execution.
I was the one that noticed that Simians cow went inactive and started a plan called lets eat steak/starving him. You forget why he went inactive besides him being an angry roro? I want to say 2 of the kingdoms Sanctuary and Rage hit him and he was pissed at Anri for the multiple notice on Absalom and HoH.
We had killers but no cows at his size and managed to hit him down 10k acres before someone took over the province and it was the beginning of the end for that province. It was about a 48 hour period he went inactive. So I guess it's really your guys fault he went inactive. I'm thinking he was 32-34k acres but can't remember but it wasn't 50k+
Last edited by Crazy Pete; 09-02-2017 at 22:15.
No one got bigger this age. Come Yr3-4 there were 4 kingdoms competing, and all 4 were the exact same size (pool + whoring cap). None of you fought or wanted to fight each other, you all kept trying to CF so you could farm #5 in PI, and you're big cause your CF expired first.
Last edited by flogger; 09-02-2017 at 22:27.
Rage had never hit Simians, only Sanc did. do you really think in a normal war situation 10k provinces can bring down a huge cow that's 3x their size and has pumped wpa / science all age? Absolutely not. First him being hit by an outside cow caused losses and caused him to go inactive which let you guys break him (otherwise you couldn't and he would quad for huge gains every wave).
I think you're missing the big picture here. HOH only won that age because simians decided to go crazy and shape charts after their tripple notice plan failed. HOH was never even going to fight simians because Sanc had already engaged them first. You guys were massively behind Rage prior to this farm out and there was no source of land for you. Why would I not want to fight you guys when I had my hard earned crown robbed to a farm out and Rage would have demolished HOH in a fight. That's exactly why I wanted to end the MAP, the game was too small to eoa cf with 5 kds every age.
The smart thing was obviously for the sages to fight the non-safe firt and exploit the science advantage. Hence we were gonna go for either Pi or BB initially. BB had forced our hand so we went for them. Same way why CR had wanted to war wsk first over us.
Sure. But you didn't want to fight BB, you wanted to CF BB and farm the weakest kingdom. At no point did you want to fight the strongest kingdom. Heck you didn't want to fight the 4th strongest kingdom.
the whole point is the "smart" thing is the "lame" thing. Yes its smart to farm ghettos the hardest. But it doesn't make you a great "strategist"
Last edited by flogger; 09-02-2017 at 22:34.
Also note: In this case, no I'm not advocating letting someone gain 60k acres to catch up and have a fair fight, that's a little extreme. But in general I don't have a problem with 2 vs 3 deals. It's only as logical as being #1 and wanting to fight #5 vs wanting to fight #2.
We had to fight Pi because CR was going to farm them and had their cf with Pi elapse only a few days after ours. We'd have preferred for Pi to not even grow into range of top as they weren't ready for.
Part of being a good strategist is also making sure your competition does not farm out the kds not ready to compete in top....
Last edited by Proteus; 09-02-2017 at 22:58.
I'm not just calling out emeriti in mentioning it being silly that all 4 of you were the same size and everyone just wanted to farm out PI. How is that a good or fun game for anyone?
Pi shouldn't have grown into that range but with them there, it has to be addressed. If not Pi, then bb would have been the next target for the 3 kds as 2/3 were sages and 1/3 had the biggest cows
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