Age 71 Proposed Changes Suggestions

[Bart of Sparta]

Tbf elite values are fine-ish, just that dwarf took a HUGE nerf. All races got increase amd dorf stayed same off. Same time it lost CS and with reduced sci effects its food penalty is harsh. Dorf need a small buff in BE and MF to make it more viable as a hybrid.

[Berner...]

@maximll joeblogs thanks for sharing your personal experiences. Mine are similar. @bart of the 3 things you listed, the only effective one is option 1. Its a rinse and repeat because its so rewarding. Nerf the gains for these types of attacks OOW, see the practice end.

[klaabu]

Perhaps remove BL from them. IMO an avian/cleric should not be breaking same-sized TMs

sry to dissapoint u but even elf, halfling or dwarf can break same size TMs

[Avenger]

Yes, even elves can, but at what cost? :P

[BoBDuDe]

What about giving Tog to War Hero.
For it give Fanaticism and Blood Lust to Warrior.

I think Tactician can get War Spoils.
For it give Clear Sight to Rogue

[Bart of Sparta]

How about giving WH +500% ME?

[Goodgame]

Elf still hit a little too hard by wages. Maybe drop from 50% to 30%.

[Avenger]

What about giving Tog to War Hero.
For it give Fanaticism and Blood Lust to Warrior.

I think Tactician can get War Spoils.
For it give Clear Sight to Rogue

This is the kind of post that can be ignored. CS, ToG, WS, BL are all spells with massive consequences. You can't randomly slap them on something for funsies.

[Verminator]

Elf still hit a little too hard by wages. Maybe drop from 50% to 30%.

Or trade runes for gold with your kingdom mates. Woah, cooperation in a cooperative game! ;)

but truly, you're right, it's a hard hit for Elves, but they have been given a bonus to runes with which to mitigate the gold issue. Use your kingdom mates!

[Goodgame]

Or trade runes for gold with your kingdom mates. Woah, cooperation in a cooperative game! ;)

And how effective do you believe that strategy will be in the midst of war when all runes are needed and gold is being used to fund dragons and to pay heavy attacker militaries? It's not a simple trade as you state. Elves need to be economically stable on their own in war when resources are needed elsewhere, especially if a kingdom is running a group of elves in their set up. You cannot simply rely on your economy through trading runes except when pumping and out of war. It's not feasible.

[Goodwitch]

sometimes I wonder if people ever considered reading the changes and then building their set up around that instead of picking a set up and trying to convince the devs to adjust their changes accordingly :P

I do agree though that hitting both magic races with an income penalty isn't great :(
earlier someone mentioned to make wizards purchasable like thieves...please don't. The last thing we need is to remove more skill based mechanics.

[Goodgame]

sometimes I wonder if people ever considered reading the changes and then building their set up around that instead of picking a set up and trying to convince the devs to adjust their changes accordingly :P

I don't know that anyone has pre-determined a set-up. The purpose of this discussion to create appropriate balance between races so that a kingdom doesn't have to avoid any one race because of it being under-powered. I agree no one should be trying to sell changes that would benefit a race that they prefer, but everyone should be giving advice on how to make each race viable in the game.

[Glimi]

You want to grow the game? Restructure it for fair competition. New players quickly get dissuaded when faced with a predicament where they cant fight back. Example. A 4k acre faery SHOULD NOT be able to take 300 acres from a 2k faery. Those numbers may not be exact as far as gains and im aware that nw is relative, just a quick example. With everyone having different goals for this game, the 'top' shouldnt be allowed to fsu for smaller kd without penalties. If u want to chart, compete against like minded kds. Not these non compete clauses that has multiple 25 prov kd all age cf with each other and ransack at will bulls***. Gains for out of range provinces should get HIGHLY nerfed to put an end to this once and for all. New owners are in a unique predicament to set a new precedence in utopia. Get to it. U will have a few kd upset about it but im sure the rest of the server would appreciate the game not being catered to the few who choose to chart age after age. Hell id bet a pretty penny MOST of the server isnt out to chart. You should take a poll as to what aspects of the game people like and what their goals are. With that data, you can make a executive decision as to what direction to take this game in. As to what the haters may say, using diplo is at the discretion of whos attacking you. If they dnt choose to let up, sitting around gettin hit for a week quickly turns new players off. Getting good is out of the question if you are gettin outplayed by a kd with more provinces.

^^^ 100% this.

There are already restrictions in place that prevent starting dragons at kingdoms outside of your range.
There are already restrictions in place that prevent declaring war on kingdom outside of your range.

Why isn't there stronger penalties for random attacks that are outside of your range? Make the penalties closer to if you hit into a war. Force all kingdoms to random kingdoms closer to their range.

[NighT]

When looking at the changes I have a few questions:

1 - An orc eating a trad is effectively losing 120% normal acres with the "+20% Resource Losses when attacked"?
2 - "+15% Military Casualties" on Orcs is both offense and defense?
3 - If #2 is so, is "-35% Military Casualties" from elves both offense and defense too?
4 - Undeads "Defensive losses automatically convert to soldiers(Permanent Animate Dead)" does this include ambush?
5 - Elf "+25% Spell Damage" is the same as Faery "+40% Combat Instant Spell Damage"? If not, what does Elf's influence?
6 - War Hero's "Converts some Specialists into Elites on successful land attacks (increasing this amount by ~20%)", does this stack with Undead? War Hero last age was about 20% conversion on perfect NW hits. Are we talking about a 24% conversion next age, or a 40% ? What's the conversion % on undeads? Same as War Hero?
7 - War Hero's "Increase honor gains by generating honor in all land attacks (in or out of war)", does this mean they get war-level honor OOW too? Or are we just talking about a percentage-increase compared to this age? What percentage?

Thanks!
Regards,
NighT

[Giz]

where is this gensis server i dont see it.... goggogogo need more action!