Quote Originally Posted by stealth4785 View Post
For example, let's take Sparta and BB and give them each the same twenty-five race and personality combinations and agree that land charts is how you want to measure success. Now its how well Sparta's twenty five plays against BBs twenty five over the course of the age. Toss in another stipulation - no CFs and you'll get a measure of skill and talent.

Utopia is about province management and teamwork. The game is how you get there - the reason why threads like these exist.
I'd put my money on BB (or any other top contending KD for that matter) because Bart has never achieved anything without dealbreaking/cheating or being fed millions of GC to fund his wars.
Bart has never even dared to compete at the top. If he's so good, why doesn't he compete without cheating/dealbreaking? Bart: I dare you!

As for the CF part: they are part of the game. If you are unable to set your CFs properly, it will hurt you at some point. BB made a dumb mistake to put WSK and Emeriti at the same time. It ended up costing them.